Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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You're doing just fine and I look forward to your opinions, input, comments and subject knowledge. Thank you
. I wish mine was close to yours.
The Consequences of Lead Ammo
- Thread starter BigUglyMan
- Start date
You're doing just fine and I look forward to your opinions, input, comments and subject knowledge. Thank you
. I wish mine was close to yours.
So if they decide to reduce the raptor numbers, then....
I mean they used and keep using so many pesticides that they are wiping out bees, never mind small birds and such.... the bullets hunters shoot ... I guess we should ban those...
I am not in favour of top-down policies and regulation. If you can present the matter in an understandable way, hunters will do it themselves. If not... well......
I mean they used and keep using so many pesticides that they are wiping out bees, never mind small birds and such.... the bullets hunters shoot ... I guess we should ban those...
I am not in favour of top-down policies and regulation. If you can present the matter in an understandable way, hunters will do it themselves. If not... well......
Great argument, from what I've been told by wildlife officers, lots of raptors, gooses and migratory birds, were dying around farmer fields, they thought farmers were poaching to realize it was the pesticides in the fields killing the birds and their predators.
ive shot a decent amount of animals now. with jacketed lead bullets, and with barnes vortex tsx bullets. they all die, but i prefer the way barnes bullets shoot, so ive stuck with them now for the last few years. ive found a few pieces of copper in my meat here and there. but it always makes me feel a bit better that im not eating any lead.
The human digestive tract does not lend to the absorption of lead from even tiny bits of metallic lead.
The lead reacts initially with the hydrocloric acid in our stomach to form a layer of lead chloride [PbCl2] on the
lead's surface. Lead chloride is not very soluble, and so the lead is not absorbed into our system due to
the short time in our system, but passes out of the body with the rest of the waste.
So, as far as I am concerned, the lead we may ingest is a non-issue. But.........as has been noted, it is
different with birds. Since they obviously do not chew their food, they use a different system to grind
their food to basically a slurry, lead included. Thus lead is absorbed by them, and results in toxicity to
them.
Apparently, it often interferes with birds reproduction, thin shells on their eggs, and other manifestations
of lead poisoning. This is certainly not a good thing.
I am in favor of the use of non-toxic shot for waterfowl, etc. But for big-game hunting, I will continue to
use bullets made of lead and gilding metal, with an occasional monometal for specific hunts. Dave.
The lead reacts initially with the hydrocloric acid in our stomach to form a layer of lead chloride [PbCl2] on the
lead's surface. Lead chloride is not very soluble, and so the lead is not absorbed into our system due to
the short time in our system, but passes out of the body with the rest of the waste.
So, as far as I am concerned, the lead we may ingest is a non-issue. But.........as has been noted, it is
different with birds. Since they obviously do not chew their food, they use a different system to grind
their food to basically a slurry, lead included. Thus lead is absorbed by them, and results in toxicity to
them.
Apparently, it often interferes with birds reproduction, thin shells on their eggs, and other manifestations
of lead poisoning. This is certainly not a good thing.
I am in favor of the use of non-toxic shot for waterfowl, etc. But for big-game hunting, I will continue to
use bullets made of lead and gilding metal, with an occasional monometal for specific hunts. Dave.
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Maybe in occasional hunting. BUT it is harmful in high dosages. Alot of people at my club ceased shooting indoors after blood tests started to come back. My lead level was OVER 7X over the normal ( shooting once a week, about 100$ each sitting ) I started to get stomach and other problems. Its been 2 years since I stopped shooting indoors and still my level is still 2x over.
Donny Fenn1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- East Kootenays
don't feel bad I understand your posts better than I do Kamkooky's
This is entirely possible, but the way it is getting into your system is entirely different than ingesting it with your food.
What you have is airborne lead compounds. When they reach the lungs, they then end up in the bloodstream and that
does cause issues. Dave.
- Location
- WMU247 near Edmonton
most of the lead that is encountered at an indoor range is from the primers, Lead Styphnate is a common component. The other way is when you are cleaning up and sweeping up down range.
Or licking the butts that would do it too
Millions of ground squirrels are killed with lead projectiles, and because of their small size, pass through are the normal result. There isn't enough body depth to stop even a 22lr under normal circumstances.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
Really - I fully agree - today, your lead concentration is a very easy thing to know - just get the test - and pay for it if you are really worried about it - for us humans in Canada is not a guessing game - you can easily know for sure where you are at. A little more tricky and perhaps more expensive if you are worried about dioxins from burning plastics, etc. and then discover most common source for dioxins until a few years ago was forest fire smoke - what you ate at your last wiener roast probably had more "ethyl methyl death" stuff in it than most people care to want to find out about. But lead is a very easy thing in Canada to get tested for - do not have to be scared about some "boogey man" that is going to get you - can easily get up and go get yourself checked.
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- Nova Scotia
Yup, I had 4 lead tests so far. I had to get routine blood work, and just asked him to add lead onto it, was that simple. I went from 149 Ug/ml and I'm sitting at 47, after 2 years. They say 20 is normal.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
Is pretty much what I think has been observed - eat it is one thing - breathe it in is another - so is absorbing through your skin - those "ethyl methyl death kill" things seem to each have their own preferred way to get inside you to play their games. You can eat stuff that will kill you by breathing the same stuff - case in point is this discussion about lead. What you can eat might kill your dog (onions, garlic, chocolate, etc.) - or vice versa (cat poop). Should not be considered "magic" or "tinfoil hat stuff". Just how it works.
