The Coolest Thing You Will Ever See
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Is a Smith 686 a semi? - nope.
This isn't a named firearm, therefore "standard" rules apply - not a handgun (needs both hands), not a semi (no 5 round cap) designed to be fired when attached to a host firearm (no OAL requirement). Hence NR. The stocked version would be prohib if it could be operated with the stock detached.
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I think of this thing like the Magpul Masada. Great design from a company that doesn't normally design guns, that someday might find a dedicated manufacturer.
Lets hope it doesn't go to bushmaster
Lets hope it doesn't go to bushmaster
Shooter1of38
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There in lies my question.
A revolving action is not a pump
a revolving action is not a "semi". This gun has a revolving action.
this fires a shot with each trigger pull (whether it's the add on version or the full gun version) requiring no input from the user...no pump, no bolt pull, just another trigger press.
So, what you're saying is that if a company built a revolver action shot gun, it could have unlimited capacity? only limitation being the cylinder diameter).
Hmm, well, for a revolver as you pull the trigger it first cycles the cylinder and then fires, whereas with a semi-auto it first fires and then cycles the cartridge. I see potential for this to go either way. The Circuit Judge is the only revolver "rifle" I know of that's in Canada, but it's legally a handgun. I don't know if the KAC SRR rifle is in Canada, but I imagine it would probably go the way of the Circuit Judge.
Big thing will be if they market it as capable of being fired single handed and OAL of less than 26 inches. It looks pretty small so I think they'll classify it as a pistol probably - especially since it looks like it operates as a DA. IFFFFFF they put a barrel on it long enough to make it 26 inches OAL without a butt extension, maybe they'll accept it.
Koenig Tiger
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My guess is the RCMP would classify it as a revolver, so restricted. Just like they did with those revolving shotguns some years ago (i.e. Rossi Cicuit Judge). And as previously mentioned the bullpup stock for it would be prohibited.
Too bad because that thing is actually well thought out...
Too bad because that thing is actually well thought out...
BCshooterFMJ
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^ What he said. Cept thats best case, I predict "Prohibited" I remember now what turned me off about making a master key. It has to be 27 inches minimum , your shotgun will stick out double the length of your AR barrel....
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Actually it was not restricted because it was a revolver, it was restricted because the RCMP determined/decided that it was based on a handgun frame. Not the same issue. Revolvers are not automatically handguns.
Beat me to it. There is a non restricted single action revolver rifle out there. It went non restricted because the frame is set up to specifically accept a straight grip rifle stock. Most of these run into trouble here because they are made by companies that base them on handgun frames that are already in production. The name of the NR rifle manufacturer escapes me at the moment though.
This has potential to be non restricted, it's probably one of those things that will make the lab boys do their darnedest to ban on some minor technicality though.
BCshooterFMJ
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(Sorry everyone, kind of a repost)
Hey brother , I looked into it a while ago, I remember now , though enefgee will disagree on the matter:
It does not matter what you attach it too, the shotgun itself has to be 27 inches. Thats why I never bothered doing it. The problem is , an 870 is NOT designed as part of the host firearm, it is a stand alone gun that you alter before fitting it , you get the setup/connector from the states . Have fun with that as it is a FA controlled piece in the states, like getting a silencer, you need to get a 200 dollar stamp of approval from the government, another reason I scrapped the idea, this I could be wrong about, maybe it was the just the states I found them in? (Also found a double sided picatiny female clamp, again, FA controlled)
And no reason to be rude boys, if anyone disagrees with me for whatever reason, post away, this what I found, I am not saying I am 100% right, this post already taught me why the cylinder x thingy for 870's is prohibited and corrected me on why the circuit judge is restricted (I always assumed it was because it was double action) If any of you remember what that revolver style NR rifle is called, let me know, unless it's a POS.
All said and done, that thing is sweet, removable cylinder too, wicked.
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Ditchdogger
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BCshooterFMJ
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You would have to register the shotgun , it can be shot on its own and doesnt meet the requirements of a non restricted.
More fuel for the fire;
Also:
"This bullpup shotgun can be used in either standalone or as an underbarrel rifle accessory. The shotgun has a revolving cylinder that is rotated by the double action trigger (it does not have a pre-wound spring like the Milkor MGL). A unique feature of this gun compared with other revolver shotguns is that the cylinder completely detaches from the gun to allow quick reloading with a pre-loaded replacement cylinder."
And it says a number of barrel lengths available...drool...
Also:
"This bullpup shotgun can be used in either standalone or as an underbarrel rifle accessory. The shotgun has a revolving cylinder that is rotated by the double action trigger (it does not have a pre-wound spring like the Milkor MGL). A unique feature of this gun compared with other revolver shotguns is that the cylinder completely detaches from the gun to allow quick reloading with a pre-loaded replacement cylinder."
And it says a number of barrel lengths available...drool...
meh, i'd get one even if it were restricted just to piss off a few antis i know. and all you commandos out there, by the time you're actually using it to breach doors i highly doubt it's classification would bother you much. besides, i'm willing to bet a good 3/4 of you here drooling over this want to mount it to a restricted anyway.
any word on price point?
any word on price point?
Ditchdogger
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I was posting for the benefit of the guys that can't get one out of the US due to their laws, it may have to be registered but if it fits an AR who cares they are restricted any way.
You may be able to shoot it on it's own but I bet on a few mangled fingers and a fat lip.
BCshooterFMJ
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I was posting for the benefit of the guys that can't get one out of the US due to their laws, it may have to be registered but if it fits an AR who cares they are restricted any way.
You may be able to shoot it on it's own but I bet on a few mangled fingers and a fat lip.
True, but I wanted to make one for an XCR myself, can only have so much fun with a toy like that at the range right? But yeah, there are two sides to the argument, you cant shoot it because it would hurt, but sadly, his is Canada , and I think in court , they would say "You can shoot it, case closed"
Koenig Tiger
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I guess I should have clarified that I think this one would likely be considered a handgun as well since it comes without a stock and could be fired one handed in the following configuration (when detached):
But hey, if it eventually makes it here in NR form, count me in!
