The Death of BRASS or ALLOY cases?

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BRASS and only Brass sales on earth made
a Gargantuan $10.74 billion driven by a multi-billion dollar secondary asset loop of recyclable, resalable, and malleable brass.

7mmBC and 6.5+peak casses and only will make $.0.00 just by design
on that secondary market, effectively acting as an economic trap that would wipe out the entire handloading ecosystem if the industry fully transitioned to steel.
You Can Try to Resize It, But You Cannot Shrink It!
Don't let the marketing videos of simple lubed neck-sizing fool you. Traditional brass has elastic memory; it flows under pressure and shrinks back to factory baselines inside a die.

NOW because you cannot physically shrink the case body back to standard dimensions on a home bench, your steel case inventory is permanently trapped inside the geometric footprint of that one specific piece of barrel steel.
AND
custom ANNEALING with a torch will require a hazmat suit since the alloys produce TOXIC GASSES.

The exact millisecond your barrel throat burns out from taking continuous 80k+ PSI proof-load beats, a fresh custom chamber reamer is spun onto your new barrel. Because your cases are permanently fire-formed to your old barrel's unique blueprint of alloy cases are worth less the zero....all that cash vaporized.

BRASS or Alloy?





 
Because your cases are permanently fire-formed to your old barrel's unique blueprint
If the steel cases can be fire formed to one chamber then logically they can be fire formed to another chamber. 🤷‍♂️

There are trillions of brass cases out there and companies will continue to make those cases because there is profit in them. Nobody can snap their fingers and disappear all brass cases.

Take a breath man ... it'll all be OK.
 
Confusing thread.

Brass is not going anywhere, not anytime soon.

Likewise, steel cases aren't, either. The Imperial German military used steel cased M.71 (11mm Mauser) cartridges way back in 1881, but preferred the brass cartridges and ultimately ditched the steel.

Steel cases are generally more economically viable during wartime when brass and other alloys are more scarce. Nothing new there. Some firearms, mostly of Soviet origin were designed around steel cases.

For years, I do not think a single round of brass cased 7.62x39 was fired though an SKS in Canada, as it simply did not exist in any large numbers. Other than Yugoslavia, nearly all 7.62x39 was manufactured using steel cases.

Each has their merits. Both are here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.
 
steel and brass are annealed for different reasons, I wouldn't try annealing steel cases the same way brass is annealed.
Steels have varying amounts of both malleability and ductility, so figuring out the steel composition will be important to determine how to size effectively.
 
You are not buying a high-tech aerospace miracle case 🤣🤣

The exotics like Cobalt-Base Superalloys, Titanium Alloys, or Inconel / Nickel-Chromium Superalloys are out and would be cost increasers.

Chromium, Nickel, and Molybdenum are the only metals they could possibly use to achieve these structural properties at a viable mass-production cost....cheapest material input to extract the highest cash input from customer base.
Its all a built-in obsolescence masquerading as high-tech innovation.👍
 

"The Death of BRASS or ALLOY cases?"​

brass is an alloy, just saying.
Outstanding!
An alloy with value and work ability to have monetary value for the seller and the buyer without restriction engineered into it.

Iron alloys are tthe exact opposte...
similar to LIBERAL governments.

all talk little action and what there is, is pure bunk.
*plus you caught the gist
 
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Confusing thread.

Brass is not going anywhere, not anytime soon.

Likewise, steel cases aren't, either. The Imperial German military used steel cased M.71 (11mm Mauser) cartridges way back in 1881, but preferred the brass cartridges and ultimately ditched the steel.

Steel cases are generally more economically viable during wartime when brass and other alloys are more scarce. Nothing new there. Some firearms, mostly of Soviet origin were designed around steel cases.

For years, I do not think a single round of brass cased 7.62x39 was fired though an SKS in Canada, as it simply did not exist in any large numbers. Other than Yugoslavia, nearly all 7.62x39 was manufactured using steel cases.

Each has their merits. Both are here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.
confusing rebuttal....
If steel casing technology was actually any good for continuous high-performance shooting, it would have stayed standard over a century ago!
The military elite realized over 140 years ago what material science still says today:
iron alloys lack the natural elasticity and workability required to safely, consistently, and smoothly function as reloadable cartridge containers.
in 1881 GERMAN Engineering tossed it.

Nonthing spectacular has changed except hype vacuuming consumer cash and METALLURGY showing physics to the new generation.
 
You don't even know what the cases are made of yet you are saying they can't be resized contrary to Federal's claims. I swear this new tech is making some people really dumb, or is at least bringing it out.
actually old tech; new metal.
and 7mmBC are the exact same and readily available.
Easy enough to have analysis done...
by OES, XRF, or SEM-EDS metal analysis.
 
confusing rebuttal....
If steel casing technology was actually any good for continuous high-performance shooting, it would have stayed standard over a century ago!
The military elite realized over 140 years ago what material science still says today:
iron alloys lack the natural elasticity and workability required to safely, consistently, and smoothly function as reloadable cartridge containers.
in 1881 GERMAN Engineering tossed it.

Nonthing spectacular has changed except hype vacuuming consumer cash and METALLURGY showing physics to the new generation.

Steel case ammunition is perfectly adequate in firearms designed to use it.

The biggest advantage it has is cost. Much cheaper, and when you are trying to arm millions of soldiers, every cent counts.

Billions of rounds of 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 5.56, .223, 9mm, 7.62 NATO, 5.45, .45 ACP, etc., have been loaded with steel cases, and perform perfectly fine.

Heck, match grade ammunition has been loaded with steel cases too.

Not sure what point you are trying to make... personally don't like steel case? Then stick to brass.
 
Steel case ammunition is perfectly adequate in firearms designed to use it.

The biggest advantage it has is cost. Much cheaper, and when you are trying to arm millions of soldiers, every cent counts.

Billions of rounds of 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 5.56, .223, 9mm, 7.62 NATO, 5.45, .45 ACP, etc., have been loaded with steel cases, and perform perfectly fine.

Heck, match grade ammunition has been loaded with steel cases too.

Not sure what point you are trying to make... personally don't like steel case? Then stick to brass.
Bulk military surplus running at low pressures (like an old SKS shooting 7.62x39 at 45,000 PSI) is completely different from a modern high-performance hunting rifle running a violent 80000psi.
You can get away with cheap, soft steel when performance demands are low. But pushing extreme modern pressures requires an entirely different level of metallurgy.

19 Century vs 21 Century

Federal is charging an astronomical $95+ CAD premium by pretending this is a space-age, reloadable breakthrough—not cheap Soviet surplus.
You are comparing a tiny fire cracker to an m80
 
You see videos of the middle easterners reloading the steel AK-47 cases all the time. No problem.

Are you working for the brass industrial complex by chance?

The nice thing about this new tech is that it's optional. Your rifle can work with either brass or steel. Use brass for plinking and reloading, and buy a box of steel peak alloy when you go out moose hunting.

People had similar issues when brass took over for muzzle loaders.
 
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