The disgusting poachers from Alaska

Traditional method of take for some of the indians up there.

I didn't watch the video, and have no interest in it, but the reason it's being reviewed to be made legal again, is for traditional use reasons. Same as shooting swimming caribou.

I don't like it, but, that is pertinent info that 99% of articles are leaving out.
 
MiG25 said:
Nothing wrong with smoking a bear out of it's den. Suppose you guys have a problem with guys hunting pheasants with dogs too.
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Nothing wrong, eh.

An Alaskan father and his son who were caught on camera killing a black bear and her two cubs have been sentenced to jail, fines and hunting suspensions. Andrew Renner, 41, will spend three months in jail, pay a $9,000 fine, forfeit his boat, truck, firearms and poaching gear -- and lose his hunting privileges for 10 years, according to a news release from the state of Alaska. His 18-year-old son, Owen Renner, was sentenced to probation and community service and will be required to take a hunters' safety course, according to the statement obtained by CNN. His hunting license also has been suspended for two years.
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umchorn2 said:
I fail to see how this is any different than the tens of thousands of foxes and coyotes shot across the country and left to rot or shooting gophers in a field. Really a reprehensible behaviour whether a bear, coyote or gopher, and when it comes down to it, this behaviour needs to change. It is very harmful for hunters and flys in the face of conservation efforts. I cannot stand hearing stories about guys driving around in their pickups down grid roads shooting yotes, beavers and muskrat and what not. What a group of low-life degenerate pricks.
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Sorry but shooting gophers that are digging up a cattle farmers property and risking the health of his heard is a little different then poaching bears in a den.
 
Squamch said:
Traditional method of take for some of the indians up there.

I didn't watch the video, and have no interest in it, but the reason it's being reviewed to be made legal again, is for traditional use reasons. Same as shooting swimming caribou.

I don't like it, but, that is pertinent info that 99% of articles are leaving out.
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They don't fit the "traditional use" description in their ancestry or their methods.
 
IBM said:
Is shooting hibernating cubs is acceptable?
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If the season is open and they have the required number of tags why not?

Cow Elk season is after the rut so unborn calves are being taken.

Unborn or fetal ungulates are ok to take, as are calves and fawns (which the govt encourages), until recently mountain goat tags said "either ###, any age".

But somehow bear cubs are off limits?
 
Even some people who claim to support hunting are terribly upset by videos of the actual kills, this is nothing new. Can and does it harm the image of hunters? Absolutely, and the more drama there is, the greater the harm that's done. In some ways video is our worst enemy, since there is no way to film a "pleasant" violent death. Mark Sullivan's films have received a great deal of criticism over the years, but you have to pay for them, so they aren't as publicly available as those on youtube.
 
This is figuratively shooting fish in a barrel! This isn’t hunting, this is just plain disgusting. This clearly wasn’t for meat, or sustenance, this wasn’t even a trophy kill, this was killing a sleeping bear and two cubs. Cut and dry
 
BamBam1984 said:
This is figuratively shooting fish in a barrel! This isn’t hunting, this is just plain disgusting. This clearly wasn’t for meat, or sustenance, this wasn’t even a trophy kill, this was killing a sleeping bear and two cubs. Cut and dry
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You can guess all you want as to why they did it, it will still be just a guess.

Maybe they were selling to the Chinese market, then again maybe they like bear sausage...we will probably never know.
 
yomomma said:
You can guess all you want as to why they did it, it will still be just a guess.

Maybe they were selling to the Chinese market, then again maybe they like bear sausage...we will probably never know.
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Then why does it take them 2 days before removing the bears..... They will get no support from me.
 
MiG25 said:
Nothing wrong with smoking a bear out of it's den. Suppose you guys have a problem with guys hunting pheasants with dogs too.
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Chasing a bear or cougar for km's until it trees and stays there until the hunters catch up to maybe shoot it is okay.

Shooting a sleeping elk at 1200 yards is okay.

Shooting coyotes and letting them rot in the field is okay.

Trophy hunting bears and taking only the hide is okay.

Apparently out west it's common for guys to drive roads looking for and shooting game and that's okay.

Shooting moose calves is okay.

The article says shooting a sow and cubs is even legal in some areas of Alaska and that's okay.


But shooting a few bears in a den in a different area of the state is somehow the work of the devil? I don't agree with what they did, but there are legal methods of "hunting" that are just as low as what these guys did.
 
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Hunting is suppose to be a sport. Shooting a sleeping mother bear with her cubs is just killing for the fun of it.

The end result is the same but the moral difference is huge. No decent hunter would ever condon this.
 
Loyer said:
No decent hunter would ever condon this.
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Agreed. I cannot fathom the mindset of a father who would pass this philosophy on to a son. Death is often a part of hunting, but hunting is not dealing out death.

"Hunting in the absence of a self-governing moral code is not only without social value, but constitutes training for ethical depravity elsewhere.”
- Aldo Leopold (paraphrasing)
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Chasing a bear or cougar for km's until it trees and stays there until the hunters catch up to maybe shoot it is okay.

Shooting a sleeping elk at 1200 yards is okay.

Shooting coyotes and letting them rot in the field is okay.

Trophy hunting bears and taking only the hide is okay.

Apparently out west it's common for guys to drive roads looking for and shooting game and that's okay.

Shooting moose calves is okay.

The article says shooting a sow and cubs is even legal in some areas of Alaska and that's okay.


But shooting a few bears in a den in a different area of the state is somehow the work of the devil? I don't agree with what they did, but there are legal methods of "hunting" that are just as low as what these guys did.
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You forgot to mention drive hunts where hunters scare poor bambi right into a firing squad
 
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