The Downside of bullpup rifles.(one of them)

The problem with bullpups is that by design, the methods used are slower and less efficient than those used on conventional designs. In addition, some options aren't possible, like adjusting the stock to fit shorter shooters or those with armour/heavy clothing, or transitioning shoulders.

Yes TDC, we know your affinity for bullpups... :rolleyes:

My first black rifle was a bullpup (Tavor), and I found the controls very intuitive. I'll concede the length-of-pull, although ironically you're the only one that's ever brought this up... ;)

Ah, heck - it's not like the majority of us are training for an armed conflict anyway... (well, maybe TV... :D )
 
Don't worry Blaxsun. When the big one comes, I got your back bro:
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I really like TV's range in his videos. That's what I need. Lots of space and no one to bother me while I take a few shots in the great outdoors. Really cool. Saskatchewan wouldn't be bad either.
 
Don't worry Blaxsun. When the big one comes, I got your back bro:
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He's so good he doesn't even need sights to shoot into space.

Maybe he just transfered in from an artillery unit and is taking out soldiers 5 miles away. Maybe he is an anti-aircraft gunner. He looks very well trained anyway.

TV where do you find these? I almost p!ssed my pants twice today becuse of you.
 
He's so good he doesn't even need sights to shoot into space.

Maybe he just transfered in from an artillery unit and is taking out soldiers 5 miles away. Maybe he is an anti-aircraft gunner. He looks very well trained anyway.

TV where do you find these? I almost p!ssed my pants twice today becuse of you.

Hold onto your scorpions, Costa will soon be adopting this as the Bipedal Bipod technique!
 
5 years of post secondary and a journalism degree means that I'm constantly crawling the feeds for anything interesting. Strong google-fu helps. :D

Speaking journalism and "interesting", this is what happens when you Google stock images for a book cover without paying attention... (original title is "All In", but this is by far a heck of a lot funnier). Confirmed that this aired live, too. :D

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Head west man... and never look back.

I have been considering that for a while. You seem to have as many guns as me, is there a house for sale near you? I've been needing a range buddy who's addiction is as bad as mine!

Thanks Yohann! We get it pretty good out here. Sometimes you have to put in the extra hours drive or few hours hike, but it gets you to some gorgeous spaces

Definitely well worth it.
 
Speaking journalism and "interesting", this is what happens when you Google stock images for a book cover without paying attention... (original title is "All In", but this is by far a heck of a lot funnier). Confirmed that this aired live, too. :D

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I'm sure she likes bullpups, and the Vector of course.
 
Actually, there's a ton. To be honest, I thinned the herd quite a bit. I'm down to a sole AR15, two Tavors and the Kriss.

I've condensed my herd quite a bit to. I'm down to 13 long guns (2 AR's), 6 pistols and a revolver. My revolver holds it's own though being that it says 460V on the side. Those little pistols don't dare pick on it.

Now I just need some time to get out shooting
 
Actually, there's a ton. To be honest, I thinned the herd quite a bit. I'm down to a sole AR15, two Tavors and the Kriss.

Yeah since the registry is gone I'm guessing everyone's herd has dwindled! I'm curious to know what the regs are to get a range approved for restricted guns. I doubt the requirements are as restrictive out west than here with the SQ.
 
You're a prime example of ignorance. You admit you've never shot a bullpup, and clearly have little training/experience on any system. Yet you appear to be making an absolute statement. No one said training was the issue. The problem with bullpups is that by design, the methods used are slower and less efficient than those used on conventional designs. In addition, some options aren't possible, like adjusting the stock to fit shorter shooters or those with armour/heavy clothing, or transitioning shoulders.

TDC

TDC have you ever had the opportunity to watch professional soldiers in action up close? I had such an oppoprtunity and I can tell you the Royal Marines, using their issued bulll pup didn't seem to have any problems garnering their share of medals at the 2007 CFSAC competitions. Dressed in full combat dress they gave nothing away to those similarly dressed shooters armed with the AR platform. The platform is different to be sure, I found it to be muzzle light but with experience on the gun I am sure that feeling would soon disappear. They of course differ from you in that they train for real life situatons while you train for....informal 3 Gun Competitions.

Take Care

Bob
ps The Marines came in all sizes, short, medium and large and all were quite capable with the rifle. As I recall they were pretty darn good with their Hi-Powers as well.
 
You're entitled to your opinion, but the shoulders thing doesn't fly for me.

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I've mentioned that the transition isn't an issue for a while now. I've done it too without any issues. I tend to cant the rifle a bit though just out of precaution but have never had any issues and the cant was almost nothing. Unfortunately I don't have a video camera. Thanks for posting it.
One thing about the transition. I'm not really a fan. The only time I would use it would be if the only cover was on my weak side and I was having to stay there providing cover for an extended period of time. Otherwise changing over is something I don't like doing. Regardless of having an AR or a bullpup.

Some things I've noticed with threads like this:

A lot of the misconceptions about bullpups are based on old designs such as the AUG. Or those who were practically born with a M16, AR15, type rifle in their hands. Mag changes for example: With the Tavor you can do a tactical reload using your weak hand by thinking pistol grip and trigger on the mag release. You retain the mag. Or you can use the thumb on your strong hand to let the mag drop free for fast reloads. With practice it's right up there with AR mags. Interestingly enough only the newest addition to the AR such as the ambi mag release allows you to do the tactical reload without having to use your strong hand index finger. Not a biggy but still interesting.

The bullpup is the modern infantry rifle. Frankly for a police patrol carbine I'd rather have a bullpup. You can fit a 20" barrel (which the 5.56 round was meant for) in a package the same length as a collapsed 16" AR rifle. Out in the open it gives you the velocity. In close for urban and you still have maneuverability. They've come a long way. We're at the point now where I think they are excellent.

Now don't get me wrong. I am a huge AR fan. But the AR rifle shines in modularity or specific use. Shorty for urban, longer for DM. The accuracy potential of the AR allows it to be extremely accurate. The short barreled ones are very handy with very fast mag changes. But for an all around battle rifle, I like the Tavor better. For military though it would make sense to keep it all based on one platform.

With some of the new AR designs coming out I see the AR continuing for a long time. But.. I can also see why countries that aren't already tied into the AR or wanting their own industry (Israel) would go the bullpup route.
 
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Mag changes for example: With the Tavor you can do a tactical reload using your weak hand by thinking pistol grip and trigger on the mag release. You retain the mag. Or you can use the thumb on your strong hand to let the mag drop free for fast reloads. With practice it's right up there with AR mags.

Regardless of how anyone feels about bull-pups, I would love to see a video of someone changing a mag on a bull-pup at even close to the same speed as I've seen guys changing STANAG mags. Even with practice it's awkward. Unfortunately, it's the nature of the beast.
 
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