The dreaded " Belted Magnum Bulge"

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I was range testing some loads in my 300 Win Mag, and some of my ammunition would not chamber. The brass was weight sorted, and some were from another rifle. I had FL sized them all, so the fail to chamber was a bit of a surprise.

Bottom line, the brass from the other rifle had been fired in a larger chamber than mine, with a near full pressure load. Some measuring of fired cases revealed that my chamber was near minimum in the region just ahead of the belt, and my FL die would size that area of the case about -0.001", on the cases fired in my rifle. The brass from the other rifle were touched by the die, sized a fair bit, but because the brass is fairly thick at that point, the brass sprung back enough to be too big to chamber in my rifle. In my 300 Win Mag FL die this area doesn't get reduced much, it ends up at app 0.514" and will not chamber. My 375 Weatherby die reduces this to app 0.513" and this allows the case to chamber, just. In the picture the shiny part just ahead of the belt is the area that "rubbed" as the case was chambered. This area now measures 0.5125".

The SAAMI minimum spec for the chamber in this area is 0.5136". My chamber is a whisker smaller than that at this point. Interestingly, the CIP spec for a minimum chamber has this @ 0.5142".

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In my Waters book, Ken measured 0.515" on his brass, for a max load.

Just a FYI post, to show the interesting stuff that shows up. This rifle was built in 1974, is well used, and I'm assuming it shot mostly factory.

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1F brass from another rifle. :)

The bulge can be a pia. Best practise for me with belted cartridges is to start with new brass and reload it for that one rifle only.
 
I have the very same rifle built also in 1974 BSA model CF-2. As long as I use cases for my rifle only I have no problem. The odd batch will sometimes give me some, so I purchased the Larry Willis die. I also have 3 other belted mags and the die works great when I need it.
 
I have a couple of custom rifles chambered in Belted rounds. Cases fired in a commercial chamber will not fit, regardless of the sizing die used.
I bought Larry Willis' sizer about 2½ years ago, and now can use any brass, since it effectively removes that bulge just in front of the belt. Dave.
 
I apologize for my ambiguous post, I wasn't soliciting help.
I've seen the Larry tool ad online and in gun rags, but hadn't really experienced the "bulge" issue firsthand, nor did I personally know of anyone that had. I just wanted to share my experience. It's somewhat like sighting a Sasquatch, it wouldn't have a name if it didn't really exist. And if you actually did see a Sasquatch, you'd feel compelled to tell someone, after all, seeing something that you didn't believe existed, is something. BTW, I haven't actually seen a Sasquatch.

Until experiencing it (the magnum bulge) for myself, truthfully I was a bit skeptical about the Larry tool, a tool to solve a problem that in all likelihood didn't exist.

Reloading is a game of thousandths of an inch. In my experience most magnum dies will size the area just ahead of belt to about 0.512, and in my experience this was usually enough. The FL die has limitations, it doesn't reach the belt, comes close, but because it has a tapered lead in, it doesn't touch the case immediately in front of the belt. This area stays shiny, usually 0.025" or a bit longer. This area of the case is pretty thick, resists expansion, and in most brass is a bit undersized. It also resists resizing.

I was curious, so I contacted Mr. Willis:

Subject: Belted magnum sizer.

I have a 300 Win Mag with a minimum chamber, at least in the bulge area, and I was wondering if your die will size this small enough.

How small will your die size down to?

Nitro:

"I’ve never encountered any belted case that our collet die couldn’t resize small enough. There is no need to reduce diameter more than .001” smaller than one of YOUR fired cases. The diameter of a NEW belted case measures .507” - .508” The average FIRED case should measure about .511 to .512” Our Belted Magnum Collet Resizing Die reduces to .509” - .510” Let me know if you have more questions.

Good Shooting,
Larry
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Like I said, pretty much a game of thousandths of an inch and ultimately in thousands of dollars. Much like owning a pet, there is the initial purchase, but the expense is ongoing.

Nitro.
 
I believe this thread has sold me a Larry Willis tool as I begin my travels down the magnum road.

*Edit: ordered on tonight. Haven't needed one yet, but I don't want to wait until I'm stuck to order it.
 
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So, I see $96.95 on larrywillis.com - US dollars I presume, plus shipping? Is this the device all y'all are using? Anyone know if Lee Precision has a "works nearly as good" for about a 1/4 of that?
I definitely ran into this problem with a bunch of so-called "once fired" 7mm Rem Mag I was trying to turn into 7x61 Sharpe and Hart for a tightly chambered Shultz and Larsen rifle. By pure good fortune, I discovered that my older RCBS .458 Win Mag die was significantly tighter just ahead of the belt, much more so than the RCBS's I had in 300 Win Mag, or 338 Win Mag. By using a feeler gauge inside the shell holder to take up the available extra space, I was able to get the brass to fit slickly by running them all through that 458 die. Thought it would be nice to have a proper magnum case bulge buster, but I find that a bit rich, no?
 
So, I see $96.95 on larrywillis.com - US dollars I presume, plus shipping? Is this the device all y'all are using? Anyone know if Lee Precision has a "works nearly as good" for about a 1/4 of that?
I definitely ran into this problem with a bunch of so-called "once fired" 7mm Rem Mag I was trying to turn into 7x61 Sharpe and Hart for a tightly chambered Shultz and Larsen rifle. By pure good fortune, I discovered that my older RCBS .458 Win Mag die was significantly tighter just ahead of the belt, much more so than the RCBS's I had in 300 Win Mag, or 338 Win Mag. By using a feeler gauge inside the shell holder to take up the available extra space, I was able to get the brass to fit slickly by running them all through that 458 die. Thought it would be nice to have a proper magnum case bulge buster, but I find that a bit rich, no?

Just checked Lee's website, cant see any product that offer to do the trick. And the bulge was my big reason for not owning a belt magnum but when I do my 300 WM I will be picking one of these up? Is it expernsive? Yes, seems to be, but its the right tool for the job and my step father taught me buy one cry once when it comes to tools. Just close your eyes when you make the order!
 
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