The Dying Art of Hunting

I think that if you where a true hunter, you would not care, nor seem to want to judge other hunters who choose not hunt as you do.. fill your fridge as you see fit, and let others do the same..

all you seem to be doing is driving a wedge between hunters and trying to create this elite class of hunter. Whats next.. only real hunters use bows???
 
Part of the art is finding a fresh set of tracks, taking out your map, and figuring out exactly where that animal is heading. The you can try to intercept from a position with the wind in your favour.
 
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ckc123 said:
I think that if you where a true hunter, you would not care, nor seem to want to judge other hunters who choose not hunt as you do.. fill your fridge as you see fit, and let others do the same..

all you seem to be doing is driving a wedge between hunters and trying to create this elite class of hunter. Whats next.. only real hunters use bows???
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And I would dispute the above. I don't think it drives a wedge between the hunting community. I think it just illustrates the different ways people go about doing things.

I will be the first to admit I admire a hunter who can track game, predict their habits, and bring meat home that way rather than a guy who cruises clearcuts on an ATV and relies on chance.

Yes they both fill the freezer, but in my opinion one is more worthy of respect than the other.

(and yes, I'm well aware this may offend some. I'll put my flame suit on.)
 
Oh, I've also shot deer at about 15 minutes into the season, dressed them out and stuffed them into the trunk of my car all before noon. I don't think it was the intent of H4831 to knock that sort of thing - but it sure makes the stories less interesting.
 
Based on the original post, you should also distinguish between shooting, hunting, and also baiting animals.
 
I've had guys in a truck tear across a field that I stalked across to get into position to intercept a buck only to chase them off and shoot the buck and both does over a hill. I've had a truck roll through a foot access only property with their windows rolled down, rifle barrels sticking out of the windows and music blasting ruin my hunt. I've had two guys on quads blast between me and a small herd I was sneaking in on. Am I bitter? You bet. Am I better? Probably not. But I have no issues telling anyone that is not hunting. And considering 2 out of those 3 were illegal, I'd even say they were poaching. I have more stories, but they all sound the same.
 
That is why I love the law about no quad being allowed before noon. We get alot of deer in the morning so we can be tagged out in good time. years ago we got 3 in a morning and were back at camp almost at noon sharp with them dressed out. We still went out that afternoon but it was more of a scouting mission for the next day. I really am not a truck hunt kind of guy but I also don't like throwing stones. As long as other are hunting legally and ethically then I say nothing, do it illegally and I am the first spouting off and calling the PFRA to report it.
 
last season was my first time out for moose. I had a draw for a bull in PG. On the first morning we drove into a property and parked, hiked on further and into a field, where we stood off to the side in some brush. My dad made a couple gunts and we nearly pissed ourselves when we heard a return grunt. After not hearing anything for about 15 minutes we started to move along, figuring he found us to be phoney. Well wouldnt you know it, right as we are stepping out of the bush a rack appears on the other side of a hill in the field. I get into position, waiting for him to take one more step, as then i would have a shot. He then bolts, taking off in the direction he came from and out of sight. We figured he must have winded us, but just as we are setting off after him, here rolls in a truck driving through the field and not turning around untill nearly up to us. To say the least we were very tickt off.
 
Just an observation, but for new hunters it's very difficult to learn anything when no one we know hunts.

There are a few guys out there who offer to help, but the majority of the time we're on our own. The easiest thing to learn is road hunting, and many people don't have the experience possible to track an animal, move an animal, or process it. For all the recommendations of hunting videos etc, nothing beats having someone to talk to or watch what they do.

I can tell you, I went hunting for the first time last fall, after having outdoors experience but no understanding of hunting whatsoever, and if it hadn't been for finding another very enthusiastic newbie, I'd have never have made it. We were only successful because we cornered hunters in the field at their vehicles and talked to them until they told us something to go away.

That said, if I hadn't found someone else, I'd have been hooped, like I see a lot of other new or young hunters.

Just my 2C.
 
i love to watch the hunting channel, but it is true that you dont learn what hunting really is most of the time. the only show ive seen to be more practical is Modern Day Mountain Man. or the Duck Commander one
 
Drewz said:
That is why I love the law about no quad being allowed before noon. We get alot of deer in the morning so we can be tagged out in good time. years ago we got 3 in a morning and were back at camp almost at noon sharp with them dressed out. We still went out that afternoon but it was more of a scouting mission for the next day. I really am not a truck hunt kind of guy but I also don't like throwing stones. As long as other are hunting legally and ethically then I say nothing, do it illegally and I am the first spouting off and calling the PFRA to report it.
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Thats why I love my suzuki Sidekick, its a quad with a heater, I can fit 2 deer or a moose IN IT, and I dont have to wait til' noon to drop it!
 
Good thread! No need to get all huffy when someone presents his/her thoughts on "hunting". Like H4831, my early days of deer hunting were pretty much all walking. Still are, for that matter, and I love to get out to my favorite bush and walk around with one of my "classic" rifles or my .22/20ga. Whether I actually take any game gets less and less important as the years roll by. My nose would grow to 100 ft. if I were to say I haven't done some driving over the years. No excuse or justifying from me. Its just something I've done.

I do kind of get a kick out of guys who spend more on binoculars than my truck cost, but they also enjoy the way they hunt, so have at 'er. After 45 years of whitetail hunting, I've finally put together a mish-mash of hunting clothes that keep me warm! I even have overalls that fit good so I don't have to walk on my tiptoes!!:p:p
 
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From the "camp" dot to the "Ha Ha" dot is about 800 yards.

As you can see, the area has now been heavily logged. The moose have a lot more to eat, but there are now loads of people, too. The last time the area was logged was in the 40's and you can find evidence of that if you are attentive. Les Trois Cannettes was so named because of 3 old oil cans we found on the top of that "mountain". Lots of old, glass Javel bottles kicking around, too.

Pretty intense taking off from that lake with 2 moose in the DHC-2. Landing was a challenge also because the prevailing westerly would suddenly change to northerly once the aircraft got below the "mountain" to the west. Not a lot of lateral allowance there.
 
You know it's bad when you have people using quads to gain access to farm land for turkey hunting.......nothing like sneaking in for a nice morning hunt guys :confused:

I like the 30-40 minute hunt to get to my hunting spot and prefer to park further away and walk in quietly and set-up before first light. But it just pisses me off to no end when the clown in the next field over comes buzzing across the field at first light thinking he has a chance at a morning fly down (moron)
 
Hunting,especially deer hunting has always been about spending time with family and friends. Although I've had the good fortune to hunt all over Canada, I still enjoy the week or two we spend out at our cabin each fall. You step out the door and you're hunting. Quads come out for game retrieval but other than that you're hoofing it. It's not that this method is better,or purer than shooting an animal while hunting with a motorized vehicle, it's just more of a personal thing. Me and nature convening. It's hard to smell the musky odor of fallen leaves or observe much nature from inside of the cab of a truck. Being outdoors is the hunting experience to me, harvesting game is a by-product. I've been fortunate enough to shoot my fair share of game over the years, and have vivid memories of my hunts. The "easy" ones that I got just don't seem to leave as much of an impression. I've found that the last few years I have trouble pulling the trigger because I'd rather spend the time hunting than sitting around tagged out. Must be my age starting to show!LOL.
 
Not what you think.

The Honeymoon was the brainchild of one uber-frustrated group member. He hunted that spot for years and moose were always crossing that creek - except when he was there. So he built a tree house. 4'x8' with another 4'x4' balcony. It had a window with a small table/shelf and Coleman stove. This doesn't sound like a big deal until you realize that all of the supplies had to be flown in and transported through the bush.

He would spend days there by himself. We all thought he was nuts and although he did shoot moose, his efforts far exceeded those of other successful members.
 
Let's not forget that it's not quite as easy for everyone to just walk out their back door 20 minutes and hunt like they did umpteen gazillion years ago. For some, the game might still be there, but you can't shoot because all these years later you have neighbors and shooting bylaws. Also not to be forgotten is the financial capabilities and time constraints of the younger hunters in today's society vrs. an established "older" hunter who has plenty of time and money.

I would much rather the guy who only has a 3 day weekend load up his quad in the back of his 4X4, get out for 3 days of hunting even if he sleeps in a hotel! At least he is hunting, even if it is not by your definition, and who knows maybe he'll have time later in life for your style of hunting and he might even take his kids or a younger hunter with him.

Our numbers are dwindling, pointing our fingers at others is not helping.
 
Drewz said:
That is why I love the law about no quad being allowed before noon. We get alot of deer in the morning so we can be tagged out in good time. years ago we got 3 in a morning and were back at camp almost at noon sharp with them dressed out. We still went out that afternoon but it was more of a scouting mission for the next day. I really am not a truck hunt kind of guy but I also don't like throwing stones. As long as other are hunting legally and ethically then I say nothing, do it illegally and I am the first spouting off and calling the PFRA to report it.
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Well the loophole is or was no quading from sunrise until 12:00 or something. So at 4:00 AM all the quad guys would roar up the valley bottoms (feeding areas) to get into "position". That was the most noise I've ever heard in the bush at once and I used to work on a high lead logging outfit with an old Timberjack skidder on the landing. That area is now "motorized vehicle" free so not even Suzuki Sidekick's are allowed in. This could turn sour about now with some folks so I'll give it up. Sometimes it's the old if they're driving slower than me they're idiots, if they're driving faster than me they're maniacs.
 
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