The going price of an M38 these days.

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Hi guys. Was just wondering the going rate for a M38 these days, found one at a local store, going for 350$ it's all matching numbers, 1942 Tula stamped, laminate stock and seems to be a refurb. Any searching I turned up only brought up American and out dated prices.

Think I'll be taking it home with me next pay day regardless since I love my 91/30 and have been wanting something shorter.

Thanks in advance guys!
 
B_902 said:
Hi guys. Was just wondering the going rate for a M38 these days, found one at a local store, going for 350$ it's all matching numbers, 1942 Tula stamped, laminate stock and seems to be a refurb. Any searching I turned up only brought up American and out dated prices.

Think I'll be taking it home with me next pay day regardless since I love my 91/30 and have been wanting something shorter.

Thanks in advance guys!
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For a decent Example, just buy it. You won't find much cheaper easily.
 
Is the laminate stock a M38 one or M44 one? That would make a bigger difference, as an original M38 laminate stock is much rarer than an M44 one on an M38 rifle.
 
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desporterizer said:
Are you sure it's a tula?
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This is an even better question. Tula only made M38's in 1940 and 1944.

Which logo does it look like?

TULA & IZHEVSK

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Is the stock a M38 or M44 stock? (Its normal for M38's to be in M44 stocks ~1943 and later, or post war rebuilds)

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In certain circumstances a M38 in a M44 stock is correct because the Soviets stopped producing both stocks as it was unnecessary.
 
EL34/6L6 said:
In certain circumstances a M38 in a M44 stock is correct because the Soviets stopped producing both stocks as it was unnecessary.
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That old theory was debunked by RyanE and Vic when I asked over at Gunboards, it looks like M38 stock production continued. There are even post-war laminate M38 stocks. Hopefully it is covered in the new book.
 
bp2626 said:
That old theory was debunked by RyanE and Vic when I asked over at Gunboards, it looks like M38 stock production continued. There are even post-war laminate M38 stocks. Hopefully it is covered in the new book.
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Interesting. Any idea why they would have put them in M44 stocks during the war? Maybe it was what they had on hand?
 
pcvando said:
Interesting. Any idea why they would have put them in M44 stocks during the war? Maybe it was what they had on hand?
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They were only put into M44 stocks during refurbishment. Obviously, with Finn captures, Bulgarian rifles, anything is possible and doesn't necessarily reflect how they were issued by the Soviets.

I think mosinnagant.net and 7.62x54r.net are great resources but they are very outdated at this point. M38s in M44 stocks, 91/38s and 91/59s being Russian instead of Bulgarian. Still a few myths that we need to debunk.
 
Not to hijack the thread but since were on M38 what do we have here?
All the serial numbers match but the stock has a bayonet cut and post World War II brass inserts for the sling with matching butt plate.So was this old stock refurbished or never left the plant and built like this?
There is an obvious but very good stock repair but the but plate does not appear to be a forced match since the stamps are the same font.

http://s981.photobucket.com/user/dansik_ca/library/IZH
Check the EE its up for swaps
 
^ Russian M38 made in 1943 by Izhevsk.

The rifle was refurbished post-war. The stock is a later pattern M44 stock and is not original to the rifle. The bolt, buttplate and floor plate are not original to the rifle, they have had their original serial numbers ground off, and a new number stamped in their place during refurbishment or were newly made. The rifle was dip blued during refurbishment. It was exported by Molot, out of Russia directly.

It's not a stock repair, it's a splice and is original to the stock. Large, quality birch blanks were getting harder to source after they made a bazillion rifles throughout the war.
 
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