The Gospel Explained

[zupermann]

#1 BCSHOOTER;
"Hey if it wasn't for religion there would be a lot less firearms & wars in the world "

We seldom agree, but speaking as one who has "visited"any war zones over the years, all I can say is your SO RIGHT.

For those who do not agree I would greatly apprecaite your explanations on the recent wars in the Balkans....

John

I've heard it said that there is enough religion in the world to make people hate each other, but not enough religion to make them love each other.

Right now I see this is especially true with the sectarian violence in places like Iraq etc., where the same kind/type of religious authorities Jesus warned us about (the Pharisees) play power politics with people's lives, using them for their own purposes, and using religion to oppress people and keep them in line.

Countries with Christian roots have had times when the above has occurred as well (because power-mongers use similar tactics no matter where they're from and who they are) but by and large countries with christian roots are/have been better off socially and politically than countries with other roots.

As far as Frontier is concerned, good on ya' for showing us who you are and what you stand for. I'll think of you for my next purchase just because.

Now, lets talk about something a tad less divisive, like politics!

 

[RockyMountain]

We cannot sell salvation, salvation is a free gift.

Matthew 10:32 KJV

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven."

If some people don't want to buy things from you because of a single link on your website that is an expression of your faith don't let it bother you. Some things are more important.

Speaking from experience, one has to be careful too (just like any other crowd I suppose).

Sometimes people take advantage of other people in an environment where they would be inclined to trust others based on their mutual affiliations alone, especially when those affiliations are those that espouse ethical behavior and goodwill.

My family has been in at least a couple interesting situations that started by an offer to help by someone through the church, or businesses recommended through the members of the church. It is unfortunate that there are people out there seeking to prey on the trusting, but that's just how it is.

It's really sad when that happens.

Matthew 7:21-23, KJV

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

 

[DMcFaul]

I wonder how open minded people would be if it said the jihad explained

You're not seriously comparing Jihad and Gospel?

A lot of you people need a proper education. The ignorance contained here is amazing.

If you choose not to support someone solely because of their religion then you're the worst kind of Bigot.

..yet I suppose you're the same people that would demand that we all defend your position, whichever it may be (gun ownership perhaps?). The rest just don't have the fortitude to put themselves in the public eye and stand for ANYTHING, let alone something they truly believe in.



Frontier.. I have never purchased from you but will consider your company in the future.

 

[slushee]

If some people don't want to buy things from you because of a single link on your website that is an expression of your faith don't let it bother you. Some things are more important.

I'm not religious, nor do I dislike those who are. What frustrates me is those who try to 'push' their religion on me when I've asked them to stop.

As so far as a single link on 'his' website? I just won't click it.

You will still have my business sir. Regardless of your religious belief. I cannot see a single link to your faith on your own website as anything near 'pushing' when I am allowed the choice to click, or not to click.

 

[CanadianReich]

I was browsing main page on Frontier Firearms web site and at the very bottom I found a link called "The Gospel Explained."

I figured it was a joke or some kind gun advert.

I guess it wasn't.

Did you guys get hacked or are you now selling salvation too?

Guns, god and freedom!

 

[Comil_1983]

I have ordered from frontier before and the are professional and have good competative pricing. Why would that change because there is a link on their website? They are hardly forcing it on anyone, It's your choice to click that link or not. I have made comments to my coworkers that know I'm a christian saying that if they have questions I would try to answer them and that is were I stop. Same Idea here.

 

[Pimpley Bum]

Atheism is the belief there is no god at all and the rejection of all religion. He said he will believe in one if you can show him one.

Personally, I'm non-religious. I am NOT an Atheist. I think those guys are all just a crazy as all the church going bible bangers. I believe in live and let live. Do what ever you want, I don't care. Just don't adversely affect my life with what ever it is you do.

As for the original point of this thread, Frontier can put what ever the hell they want on their website. It is their website.

The ones that just don't believe I can get along with (I'm one) but the ones that turn it into a religion and go around harassing people and generally being arseholes...I have no time for them.

 

[trebor2880]

Religious fanatics are the ones that scare me. They seem to be able to justify any of their actions, with the Bible.

 

[gregb]

I received the Good News recently after living in darkness and refusing the truth for several years.

It's ironic that all the people bashing religion are very true, but don't understand the Gospel was never meant to be a religion - it is the truth that the only way to salvation is the free gift from God, embodied in the sacrifice of His son as atonement for our transgressions against Him.

As a free gift, we have the choice to either refuse it or accept it, just as a child who recieves a gift from thier parents can. Being the model of the perfect parent, the gifts God gives us are the best gifts imaginable, even when they don't seem to suit our lives or aren't what we ask for.

Sadly, so many people will refuse the gifts of God - even refuse Him. As an unbeliever turned believer, I can testify how that choice is the wrong one, as God has never forsaken me, even though I have forsaken Him. Those who have forsaken him have willingly chosen thier fate - the day will come when they realize the true horrors that choice entails. I count myself blessed that that day came before it was too late, and in my time of darkness, God was faithful to me, extending the free gift of grace I don't deserve and can't possibly earn.

The Gospel is not a religion - it is the good news that, in your life, in your perspective, you have a choice to live a life of meaning, purpose and freedom, or live a deluded, cowardly slave to the narrow confines and finite boundries of this world.

Thanks Frontier for having the courage to share the Gospel. I was humming and hawing about buying something, but this seals the deal for me

Just my opinion...

A free gift? Blindly follow (like a sheep) God or spend an eternity in a Lake of fire, tormented endlessly. Putting God first and myself last.
A fictional book of contradictions, Hate, Murder and nonsense as my guide? Wow thanks, what a choice - but I'll pass.

My life is complete, I am successful, happy and 100% void of any belief system. I was actually miserable and confused
when I used to attend Church and subscribe to the Christian Doctrine. I am also fine with not having all the answers.
I cannot think of anything more restrictive than living my life under any Religion or whatever you choose to call it.

But hey, seems to be working for you and I am glad you are happy.

 

[agilent_one]

At the end of the day, who cares? In this day and age I applaud anybody who will stand by traditional beliefs and convictions even though I may not share them entirely.

Good on you FF.

 

[stang]

The one bad thing about this hobby is that some people have to push their god to the rest of us.

 

[jwc]

I'm thankful for the men and women who made great sacrifices so that we are free to have conversations like this.

 

[Leibermuster]

An excuse, facade or whatever you want to call it. If there were No Religion there would have been no Crusades.

Do you even know what started the CRUSADES?
How many Crusades were there?
Does defending your country count as a crusade?
I guess i can't blame you because history has now been rewritten so many times and if I got my history from Hollywood I guess i would think the same BS you do to make that typical Jackass/ignorant & uneducated/ ill informed statement.

Do you know when the word "Crusade" actually started to be used to describe that very long period of history?

Why am I wasting my time?

 

[Claybuster]

Question: What does one call a person who refuses to buy a car from a black car dealer because he's black, or a TV from a ### futureshop employee because he's ###? Or a gun from a person because they're Christians?

We would call them "discriminating" which is their right unless they try and convince others of their view. However this example doesn't quite stand up unless the black car dealer is promoting black causes on his corporate website or the electronics dealer is explaining the joys of ### ### on his. How many people would deal with someone who had a link entitled "The Jihad Explained" on their website?

I have no quarrel with Frontier's weblink. Their site, their business and their right and it wouldn't stop me from doing business with them although my idea of a free gift from a gun dealer is ammo.

 

[gregb]

Do you even know what started the CRUSADES?
How many Crusades were there?

I guess i can't blame you because history has now been rewritten so many times and if I got my history from Hollywood I guess i would think the same BS you do to make that typical Jackass/ignorant & uneducated/ ill informed statement.

Do you know when the word "Crusade" actually started to be used to describe that very long period of history?

Why am I wasting my time?

the same BS you do to make that typical Jackass/ignorant & uneducated/ ill informed statement.

And the personal attacks begin.

Are you a History professor, perhaps you could educate me instead of assuming I get my information from Hollywood movies?

Does defending your country count as a crusade?

The Crusades were about Christian control and conquering/retaining land, not about defending a country.
The Church used the veil of Religion to obtain political power, money and justification for the murders of 100,000's of Men, women and Children.
The goal was to take primary control of the Holy land (Jerusalem) from Muslim rule.

How many Crusades were there?

The 'Crusades' to which I earlier suggested were 9. Of which were fought over western Europe and eventually ended in the Middle East.
They were primarily fought between Roman Catholics against Muslims and Greek Orthodox Christians. approx (1095 and 1291)

A Quote from Wikipedia:

'The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns, called by the pope and waged by
kings and nobles who volunteered to take up the cross with the main goal of restoring Christian control of the Holy Land'

If I have the information wrong please let me know. Also, feel free to sign up as an author on Wikipedia
and change or revise any information you think is false.

 

[prosper]

The issue of 'evidence' is always an interesting one, to me - we can all think of examples of issues where there's a plethora of evidence, and still non-believers. There are plenty of people who still think gun control is a good idea, despite the readily available evidence otherwise. Then the whole 'climate change' issue. The bottom line is that we, as a species, are remarkably able to overlook evidence in favour of our own preconceptions. Jesus himself often refused to perform miracles because of exactly this reason: it's often not evidence that we really need.

So, Christians often get themselves into trouble, trying to win arguments and convince people who will not be convinced. Convincing is God's job. The job of the Christian is simply to be a witness to the things that have happened in his or her own life. To share, with the people that God brings us. That's it. No bashing people over the heads with our beliefs, no 'turn or burn' threats, nothing like that. So, I'm really pleased with the way this thread has been handled, and the way that Frontier goes about things. Answers are there, but the questions have to be asked first.

 

[yardie]

You guys just went up like a 100 points in my books. I have ordered from you before but I will go out of my way from now on to get my goods from you.

This.

 

[Leibermuster]

the same BS you do to make that typical Jackass/ignorant & uneducated/ ill informed statement.

And the personal attacks begin.

Are you a History professor, perhaps you could educate me instead of assuming I get my information from Hollywood movies?

Does defending your country count as a crusade?

The Crusades were about Christian control and conquering/retaining land, not about defending a country.
The Church used the veil of Religion to obtain political power, money and justification for the murders of 100,000's of Men, women and Children.
The goal was to take primary control of the Holy land (Jerusalem) from Muslim rule.

How many Crusades were there?

The 'Crusades' to which I earlier suggested were 9. Of which were fought over western Europe and eventually ended in the Middle East.
They were primarily fought between Roman Catholics against Muslims and Greek Orthodox Christians. approx (1095 and 1291)

A Quote from Wikipedia:

'The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns, called by the pope and waged by
kings and nobles who volunteered to take up the cross with the main goal of restoring Christian control of the Holy Land'

If I have the information wrong please let me know. Also, feel free to sign up as an author on Wikipedia
and change or revise any information you think is false.

The Muslims started the whole thing by conquering and constantly invading Southern Europe,it was a logical and justified response to the Muslim aggression into other countries. The Muslims were doing this for over 300 years before the first so called crusade..

So it was Justified...

You mix a lot of opinion on the subject and pic your facts conveniently as usual. I love how it starts with Muslim invasion of other non-Muslims countries yet the conclusion people like you come out with is blaming the Christians for launching a counter attack to Muslim invasions....so typical...The "CRUSADES" oh they were so wrong...blah blah, not saying there were not wrong things done, but keep in mind the instigators of the whole thing in the first place. Something you won't admit.

First there were 15 crusades then 12 now 9, I have read quite a bit on the subject and different books from various sources over the centuries and it amazes how much that history has been re-written, go research it your self. English accounts to french to Arab, have all changed dozens of times.

As far as personal attacks go, stop trying to use that to silence the debate.

Also if you actual read what the pope said and was written and recorded, it is perfectly understandable what he actually meant.

 

[greentips]

Things that will get locked up in OT do not belong here either.