The Heckler & Koch P7
- Thread starter Ardent
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Ardent said:For one, the dissasembly button, I don't know how the heck your friend managed it,
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There is also no rifling, so while cast is definitely a no go, plated is just fine.
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Ayoob proclaimed the P7M8 the most reliable automatic available, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.
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The earlier models have a large takedown button. Your thumb joint can depress it with a high grip. If you then pull the slide up even a little while doing a clearance drill, zing, it comes off. Ask me how I know...
Plated is not fine. I pulled a good amount of copper and lead out of the gas cylinder after having the gun lock in the middle of a competition, having used a few hundred plated. Whatever the mechanism (I think the plating shaves off across the gas bleed hole, but who cares really), a lot of people report problems with plated. It can't be good for the system to seize, and I'm OK with running cheap jacketed (MG, bulk Hornady) through an expensive gun to help it run more reliably.
I agree with Ayoob in the case of a clean gun. In high-volume training, once the piston/cylinder gets dirty and hot (and your fingers burned), the gun gets unreliable in a hurry. However, when clean, it will feed and function with any crap I've put in it including buckled case walls.
Ardent said:
Yep. When you want to do it, it's tricky. The thing that saved me was having the slide hang up on the barrel, a millimeter awya from just flying downrange, on its way forward after coming off at the back.
I did it twice before altering my technique.
The solution is to push slightly down on the slide while manipulating it during practice, so that you'll do it the same way when clearing a malfunction.
Don't get me wrong - it's a great gun. Pin-point accuracy, lighting fast out of holster, ultra-quick recovery, highly reliable (when clean). It just has a few quirks in the manual of arms department.
And don't tempt fate by putting lead or plated through it. Feed your nice, expensive and hard-to-get-parts new gun some CMJ.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Good info, would explain the plated. I've never gone 100 rounds without a solvent soak and gas cylinder brushing as that's my typical range run for the P7 and it gets the service after every trip. Hadn't ran into the issue, my friend swears by plated in his PSP, says it keeps everythigngclean. I'm guessing the bullets used can vary in spec and hardness affecting outcome here.
Cocked&Locked
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- S. Ontario
acrashb said:
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acrashb said:
A few drops of sweets down the piston cylinder, 5 minutes and a proper P7 scraper, and you are good to go. On the "Cult" seems most guns operated there max out a 400 rounds before a good cleaning is needed.
The copper in the piston is my least favourite "characteristic" of this pistol, but the design, accuracy and construction more than make up for its peculiarities.
LH
Lionhill said:
by proper, are you excluding the iScott? Is your real name George? (in joke for cultists)
Even using Shooters Choice from time to time (it's good on copper), I pulled out copper and lead in quantities that looked like a drill bit going into a block of material (I use an HK scraper) so I won't be using plated again. As Ardent mentioned, batch-to-batch and brand-to-brand bullets will vary - if your stuff is working, keep doing it.
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- Stouffville, ON
Rod B said:
For the sake of clarity we only have brand new P7M8 pistols, these are not used or police trade in pistols, we should have them on our door step on Friday, we still have about 4 pistols left from our initial order if anyone is still interested.
