The Heckler & Koch PSP and P7M8 in pictures

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(Note: this thread is just for newbies and people that love guns. HK snobs and know-it-alls, please give us all a break and go somewhere else. The warning is a bit heavy handed, I admit, but I've used them before on my picture threads and they seem to help :) )

Recently I picked up this amazing NIB PSP from 1980 ("IA" date code). It is hard to believe that treasures like this are still out there in Canada:
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I've seen many discussions on here over the years about the difference between the PSP and P7M8. Now I have the opportunity to show some of the basic differences in pictures. This is a comparison with my 1989 ("IK" date code) P7M8:
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You can also see that the firing pin take-down mechanism is slightly different, and that the P7M8 grip appears to be a little longer - if only just in terms of the lanyard loop:
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This angle gives you a good view of the difference in the heel of the gun. Note also the different triggers guards at this angle, and that the grip panels are not the same:
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The trigger guard looks alot bigger on the P7M8, but if you set them one on top of another you see that is not all that different:
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When you look at the mags from this side, they look the same, except that one is marked "P7" and the other "P7M8":
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But when you flip them over you will see that the P7M8 mag has a mag catch on the front right side, and PSP has a mag catch on the back:
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Internally they are just about the spitting image of one another:
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If we look from this angle though, we can see the mag catch on the P7M8 (right) under the ramp, and also an area at the rear of the gun is hollowed out in a circle shape (for weight I assume):
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Some stripped down PSP shots of a PSP I used to own:
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My HK family:
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This sort of shows you how small the P7s feel in the hand compared to the USP/P2000 design, and how much lower the barrel sits in your hand:
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With some GLOCK 19s:
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The GLOCKs are a little closer on the "sit low in the hand"/bore axis issue:
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With some SIGs (228 and 239):
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I'll probably get one of those little HKs one day myself. sucks they aren't more affordable. Saw people on Auction hunters find one of them, sold it for $400 :eek: I was like Noooo! I'd pay 450 for it :D

btw that last pic where you can see a difference in bore axis between Sigs and the HK made me laugh.
 
btw that last pic where you can see a difference in bore axis between Sigs and the HK made me laugh.

Yah, that is interresting. That wasn't my original intention to highlight the bore axis thing, but that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw those photos. The USP looks like even more (than the 228) of a gap between the web of the hand and the line of the bore. The USP looks positively massive compared to the P7s.

Bore axis isn't everything of course. You can get used to anything, but if you want a real compact, low bore axis pistol... you'd have to go a long way to find something lower and more compact than a P7.
 
Between the low bore axis and light trigger these pistols are an ego boost to shoot. Easy to strip /maintain and if you leave the extractor out no problem. Great post!

Did I shoot one of yours? I forget now :p Nice gun thou! Handled it, liked it, wish I had the $$ for one :p

I think the design calls for regular cleaning and clean burning powder thou. I don't think you can shoot 4500rds without cleaning unlike CZ Shadow ;)
 
Has a PSP in the States. CFC told me I couldn't bring it to Canada. Wound up buying (for literally four times the money) a M8 here. Really outstanding design.
 
Did I shoot one of yours? I forget now :p Nice gun thou! Handled it, liked it, wish I had the $$ for one :p

I think the design calls for regular cleaning and clean burning powder thou. I don't think you can shoot 4500rds without cleaning unlike CZ Shadow ;)
Any time you want to shoot it just let me know. Manual suggests cleaning the cylinder once a year or every 500 rounds but general recommendation is not to clean it. Cylinder warms up some too on the non-heat shield version thus would also take a little longer to shoot 4500 rounds.

Has a PSP in the States. CFC told me I couldn't bring it to Canada. Wound up buying (for literally four times the money) a M8 here. Really outstanding design.
One of the few firearms to own just because of the design - gas delayed blowback, squeeze cocker... Issue is depending on who measures it can be +/- 1mm of legal limit thus some are prohib, some are restricted.
 
All PSP/P7M8 are restricted NOT prohibited. Initially they had not been measured accurately enough and the feds went by the inches measurement for U.S. importation. I had a PSP imported from the U.S. a few years ago (sold it and bought a NIB P7M8) and I had to write to the CFC and inform them they are restricted and that they should check their own records. They agreed and the gun came over.
 
Massad Ayoob in the 1980's did take a P7 to about 4000 rounds without cleaning. At that point slide was stiff/dragging so he cleaned all the guck out. It ran without a hitch for those 4K rounds.
 
Massad Ayoob in the 1980's did take a P7 to about 4000 rounds without cleaning. At that point slide was stiff/dragging so he cleaned all the guck out. It ran without a hitch for those 4K rounds.

I read an interesting article Ayoob wrote about the P7 - he was shooting with John Farnam on an informal course of fire alternating two guns, he said that regardless of how many times they shot the course of fire, the winner was always the guy shooting the P7. That's an interesting edge.
 
All PSP/P7M8 are restricted NOT prohibited. Initially they had not been measured accurately enough and the feds went by the inches measurement for U.S. importation. I had a PSP imported from the U.S. a few years ago (sold it and bought a NIB P7M8) and I had to write to the CFC and inform them they are restricted and that they should check their own records. They agreed and the gun came over.

Just to reiterate my earlier post - be careful with the PSP & P7 as +/- 1mm will change their classification - if you have access to the FRT then can see that PSP is prohibited, the P7 prohibited (105mm) or restricted (106 & 107mm), and the P7/M8 is Prohibited (105mm) or Restricted (106, 107, 120mm). Different reference numbers for each configuration.

Generally a verifier is involved to change the classification but perhaps your letter prompted the CFO & exporter to communicate, remeasure the barrel and thus change the classification.
 
Great post! Concise and informative. These guns are absolute classics. I dig all the hi-res pics. You have some saweeet HK's, but I like yer gen3 g19's better:D
I can't seem to find one for sale (hint hint):pAnyways, gorgeous p7/psp's and thanx for the hawt pics and info.
 
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