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So after looking into some rifles and different versions of the old milsurp ww2 rifles I've asked myself how
available is ammo I plan on having guns I can shoot, but how hard is it to get a hold of ammo say for a type 99 or a kar98 etc.... Someone maybe could give me a heads up of where or how easy or hard it is for certain milsurp rifles thank you
 
This is easy
The only really cheap surplus would be the Russian 7.62x54R for the Mosins
The 8x57 for German (and many other) Mausers is also fairly plentiful and 30-06 is not to bad either.
One dealer in that states just got a lot of surplus 303 which had been very rare for years. (Don't know if there is any more of it out there)
Privi partisan in Serbia manufactures ammo in many military calibers and they are reasonably priced.
Wolf and Golden Bear ammo is loaded in several military calibers and they are also reasonably priced.
There is also the option of reloading
 
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Handloading is the only way to get GOOD, affordable ammunition at any kind of pricing that won't break the bank.

Remember that HALF (or more) of the cost of a cartridge is in that brass casing that you throw away. That casing, if treated properly, can actually last you 30 shots or more.

Ammunition for my Snider is $10 to $12 a shot.... if I can find it anywhere and, even then, it will be a century old and likely duds. But if you have the casings (make from 24-bore shotgun brass or plastic) and a mould, the price comes down nicely..... to 35 cents a pop. Smokeless loads for a .43 Mauser drop from $4 a shot to 20 cents if you handload.

It took me MANY years to find a single round of 6.5x58P for the original Vergueiro and I STILL would not have one were it not for this board (Thank you, DIOPTER!). But now that I have an original, I find that I can duplicate it for about 60 cents a shot.... and that is Match-grade loads which are legal for hunting. And you can do the same with almost ANY of the old military cartridges.

If you just want a bucketful of cheap, consistent, relatively short-range ammo which is not hard on the shoulder and helps your barrel to last almost FOREVER, there is the famous C. E. Harris UNIVERSAL LOAD FOR MILITARY RIFLES. It is 13 (thirteen) grains of Red Dot shotgun powder with a 180-grain (or thereabouts) CAST bullet. No filler, no wads, no nuthin': just load it and shoot it. It is low-recoil and limited-range.... but BUFFDOG uses it as his Gopher-sniping load out to 300 and TINMAN204 is getting ONE-INCH groups with it at 200. They are both on this forum: ask them. Cost? About 12 cents a shot...... and it is equally-applicable to almost ANY fullbore military cartridge of the type used in both World Wars.

If you MUST buy tons of surplus, get some brass cases and modern primers and switch the loads over to the new cases with new primers. SURPLUS ammo generally is "surplus" for a REASON and the reason generally is dodgy primers. I switched-over some utterly useless Turkish 8x57 in this manner and discovered that I had 3 WWI rifles that were shooting 1 MOA or very close to it. You might want to think about that if you buy a Moisin-Nagant or an SVT and a couple cases of ammo and find you can't hit a barn from inside: Russian primers are notorious for deteriorating.

For bulk lots of oddball brass..... and some loaded ammo..... my source is Trade-Ex Canada; their ad is up top of this page, 2 in from the left, 2 down in the block of ads under the Beaver. With that..... and a bit of work..... I can keep almost any rifle from either World War running happily..... and NOT break the bank.

Just sayin'......
 
So I'll need brass and primers what else will I need to start making some homegrown ammo that site you suggested is very nice
I plan on getting a lot from them.
 
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