The Jam from Hell

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I just got back from the range after shooting my new Olympic Arms AR-15, and experienced the most horrific jam that I have ever had.

After shooting about 50 rounds of factory loads without a hitch (UMC 55gr FMJ) I then progressed to a batch of 62gr reloads that I had lying around. They were loaded with a fairly stiff charge of W748 in Federal, Winchester and PMC once fired cases.

After firing about 30 or so rounds of this, the bolt locked back half way on the fifth shot of my magazine and was stuck. REALLY stuck. I took a wooden block and gently tapped the charging handle back as far as I could, (until the empty brass fell out) but the bolt still was jammed. I tried taking the gun apart, but with the bolt stuck halfway down the buffer tube it wasn't going to happen.:confused:

I was then that I noticed the fired cases from the reloads; most of them looked fine, but several of them were missing their primers. They were all Federal cases, and I remembered when I loaded them that the primer pockets seemed kind of loose compared to other types of brass. (I have found this to be the case with Federal brass in general - looser primer pockets than other brands.)

To make a long story short, I took the rifle home and managed to get the bolt closed by gently pulling on it with a brass tap, then managed to take the gun apart. The culprit was a spent primer that had lodged in the bolt and had prevented it from cycling. I took it out and everything else seemed fine, especially after giving the gun a good cleaning.:dancingbanana:

It looks like I will be using factory ammo only for a while with this gun until I sort out the reloading problem. Has anyone else had this type of experience, especially with Federal brass? I have fired several thousand rounds of various reloads out of my ARs and Mini-14's in the past with nary a problem, and of almost 800 rounds of these particular handloads, I've fired about 1/2 of them out of my Savage bolt action rifle with no problems and no excess pressure signs. What gives? :slap:
 
They were loaded with a fairly stiff charge of W748 in Federal, Winchester and PMC once fired cases....

Three different makes of brass = three different pressures ...

Your fairly stiff charge is obviously excessive and mixing components with excessive loads isn't really safe. When primer pockets loosen after firing throw that brass away and reduce that load.
 
Stop using Federal brass in the AR15... The primers can fall out even with mild loads. I save my Fed brass for the BlueStar, it can handle primers falling out in the action.
 
HeadDamage said:
Stop using Federal brass in the AR15... The primers can fall out even with mild loads. I save my Fed brass for the BlueStar, it can handle primers falling out in the action.

My CQB/Classic Green really do a number on brass...just how much do you manage to "save" that is okay to reload?
 
Federal Cases are notorious for loose primer pockets.

Stick to Winchester cases, and don't mix case brands when reloading. Use one manufacturers case per batch.

SKBY.
 
X-man said:
My CQB/Classic Green really do a number on brass...just how much do you manage to "save" that is okay to reload?

As long as I don't have the brass ejecting near a concrete wall, pretty well all of them are okay to reload.

Judging from the response, it looks like I won't be using Federal brass anymore. As a matter of fact, I just checked the remaining 3 boxes of reloads that I have, and two of the loaded rounds have lost their primers just by being toted around!:puke:
 
greentips said:
The federal brass might be a problem but his bolt gun and other AR had shot the reloads without a problem. I will go double check the headspace with No Go and GO guage firt.

The bolt is stuck, and could not be unlocked, which I take that the brass was stucked in the chamber? I will definitely check the headspace before putting all the blame on the ammo. The ammo might be a bit on the sucky side, but some headspace problem (or even chamber size) might have aggregated the issue.

I have loaded some very stiff W748 load before that have way over the book, never have a problem.

GT, he said that it wasn't the brass in the chamber, but rather a primer had come loose and jammed the bolt.

scout3006 said:
The culprit was a spent primer that had lodged in the bolt and had prevented it from cycling.
 
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greentips said:
The federal brass might be a problem but his bolt gun and other AR had shot the reloads without a problem. I will go double check the headspace with No Go and GO guage firt.

The bolt is stuck, and could not be unlocked, which I take that the brass was stucked in the chamber? I will definitely check the headspace before putting all the blame on the ammo. The ammo might be a bit on the sucky side, but some headspace problem (or even chamber size) might have aggregated the issue.

I have loaded some very stiff W748 load before that have way over the book, never have a problem.


Nah, sometimes you end up with the primer smacked on to one of the bolt lugs and it ties it right up. When your lucky you can see it and pick it off, if your not and it's on the other side of the action , well, getting it out to remove it can be much more interesting....think total dissasembly:(
 
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