The Joke that is the Type 81 Rail

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Sorry in advance for the rant but i feel like its needed, i recently got my type 81 optic mount and was decently impressed with it, until i found the exact picatinny mount on aliexpress for 20$ (dovetail is made in CAN) with the exact same box that came from TI in the images. but, ok that's just the mount lets hope that the dovetail and pins/safety are worth the other 180$ that is left over from Ti's price.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001313497843.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.28692c0cuh2p5J&algo_pvid=9bfa5121-6463-46e4-94b4-ce9b86301ab0&algo_exp_id=9bfa5121-6463-46e4-94b4-ce9b86301ab0-0

(not my image) Once i had it mounted i was impressed! but i never noticed until i seen this image a day later on how off the rail is on every axis, i understand even standard AK optics are offset to the left but are level and centred along that offset axis, BUT this is pointed down by what seems to be atleast one degree and is slanted off to the left! mine is only minorly angled to the left but mine is also pointed downwards by atleast one degree.
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(my image) Well after all that i hope the PK06 (apparently gen 2) is better! well its not. from what ive gathered there is no PK06 gen 2, just the PK05W and the PK06. Ti states on their website that this improved gen 2 has been ridden of the "chip effect" when light hits the optic at a certain angle, well its still there (picture is a bit exadurated since im inside, but also being outside WILL cause this effect but to a slightly lesser degree). For whatever reason mine also refuses to change reticules while on auto brightness mode while there is no light being directed into the sensor, so you CANNOT change the reticule at night unless you switch to the high power mode, switch it and then swap back to auto.
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Thank you for reading and any other input is very appreciated from other owners, this is just a preemptive warning just so you know what your getting into, not trying to bash Ti but its quite shameful for waiting 4 months of "two more weeks" and costing a combined 600$
 
So you're paying $160 for the adapter plate that attaches to the reciever using the replacement hammer and trigger group pins?
And otherwise it's a $20 airsoft AK-74 mount?

That's hilarious.

I think the reason the mounts are so far off square when attached has nothing to do with the mount itself and simply that the two random pins chosen to attach the dovetail and wherever on the reciever it sits were never meant for the task.
There's no reason otherwise they need to be square so they're not.

In making the rifle the Chinese simply had no reason whatsoever to ensure they were perpendicular to the sight plane of the gun so they're not. When you attempt to mount an optic using them to index of course it's going to be way off.

I actually don't fault TI for any of this too much, it's hard to even recover costs making accessories for such as limited market. It's forgivable. As for the rifles themselves and the QC level leading to not being able to fix a mount on straight, you should know what you're getting into when you buy nornico.
Remember the batch of T81's where the whole gun was visibly bent?
Also forgivable, they are what they are.
 
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BrandenD said:
Sorry in advance for the rant but i feel like its needed, i recently got my type 81 optic mount and was decently impressed with it, until i found the exact picatinny mount on aliexpress for 20$ (dovetail is made in CAN) with the exact same box that came from TI in the images. but, ok that's just the mount lets hope that the dovetail and pins/safety are worth the other 180$ that is left over from Ti's price.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...exp_id=9bfa5121-6463-46e4-94b4-ce9b86301ab0-0
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A marked up Chinese rail for a marked up Chinese rifle.

That really sucks regarding the canted rails. The product description (from their post on CGN) states "The picatinny side mount has a slight declination in order to align optics with POI.". I asked what this meant in that thread but never got an answer. Hope they didn't mean every axis. I hope other people post pictures of their rails so we can see if this is a fluke or the standard.
 
This should be no surprise. Once I saw the rail I knew it was junk. It's much beefier than it needs to be because it's made from crappy Chinese aluminum. It's too bad another company isn't handling the import of these guns and accessories.
 
I do not own any of this stuff, but sort of need to actually shoot to verify a sight's setting? First thought that I had was there is not much guarantee that the barrel is seated square and straight to the receiver?? So, end result, sight needs to point wherever bullets land, and may not be "straight", "plumb" or "square" with the receiver?? I am not real sure of any other way to decide if sights work or not - have to shoot it, to see?? Although, as stated, I do not own this stuff and maybe there is a "new way" to do that??
 
That sucks. It’s a pity that we can’t develop a cottage industry for the M10x platform like we have developed one for the 180s. As craptacular as some m10xs might be, such a better platform to try to improve for 762x39 than the t81. True North arms?
 
I'm not disputing anything you've shown OP but is it not possible that just because a company makes a $20 replica that the one being sold is not a fake?

I see plenty of Chinese airsoft clones of ACOGs, Elcans etc. I don't think that means the real deal are hugely overcharged just that the fakes are fakes
 
I totally understand why TI adapted the downward angle, and they did list why in the ad. Its to help the optic better align up with the guns POI. U will notice on rifle versions, that not only is it somewhat common for the barrel to be misaligned to the right, but also MOST of the rifles have a noticeable cant down with the barrel as well. Where this becomes a problem is with the LMGs. Its no secret that the LMGs where assembled with FAR better alignment. So ive noticed on the LMGs that the downward cant isnt necessary. But for the rifles it is. This makes it hard to make a mount that accommodates BOTH versions of the Type 81sa's...

People need to understand that these are mass produced Chinese stamped steel rifles. They are far from consistent when it comes to there dimensions, angles, alignments, parts etc etc. Its hard to make one mount do it perfectly.

However if Tactical Imports was a more honest company, they should at least disclose this stuff to the customers before sale.
 
Murray 3-D said:
However if Tactical Imports was a more honest company, they should at least disclose this stuff to the customers before sale.
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I've watched your videos on the Type-81 bend and read some of your comments, do you feel that TI has learned at all from previous events to become more honest? and do you think they didn't include the information deliberately?
 
I have seen them shoot themselves in the foot so many times, i dont even bother trying to rationalize their market decisions anymore lol
 
Thanks for all the replys guys, I’m happy you guys pointed out that TI mentioned the downward pitch, i must have missed it and it makes me feel alot better that its intended.
To answer a few questions about my post, Me saying that the mount itself is off aliexpress is just a hunch, since the box and mount are down to the T in the images and there is no makers mark on the mount, unlike the dovetail.
The PK06 is a russian sight made by ZenitBelomo in russia.
 
BrandenD said:
Me saying that the mount itself is off aliexpress is just a hunch, since the box and mount are down to the T in the images and there is no makers mark on the mount, unlike the dovetail.
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i tend to agree its from china but nothing wrong with that. if i insisted on buying a north american made car with no chinese parts. i would be riding a horse, lol.
 
Curtton said:
i tend to agree its from china but nothing wrong with that. if i insisted on buying a north american made car with no chinese parts. i would be riding a horse, lol.
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That's why I mentioned one or 2 weeks ago that the design is very poor and looks like any other run of the mill mount - well obviously it is, lol.

TI mark ups are hilarious, just look at their web site - and then the shipping. I could add some more from my own experience, but that's not necessary, lol.

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The downward cant of the mount is, well, explained by TI's in their promotional stuff, alright. Still look like garbage to me, but I can understand how someone might think it logical.
The left tilt of the mount, with the rail also being offset left... Not so much.
Aesthetics is a big factor in my gun purchasing decisions, and TI's mounting solution runs completely counter to that sense.

P.S. Kinda funny seeing stuff from cangen pop up on cgn, truth be told. How'd you like my colored lines, BrandenD?
 
scianna54 said:
That's why I mentioned one or 2 weeks ago that the design is very poor and looks like any other run of the mill mount - well obviously it is, lol.
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poorly designed, that was obvious when the left handed shooters cant use it cos the locking lever was too low but its still a good effort. one more accessory we didnt have before.
 
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