The last Japanese warrior...

Hey remember back when the Romans slaughtered everyone in Carthage? Bastards!!

Imperial Japans conduct duing WW2 was atrocious, there is no other word for it. The Germans and the Russians were brutal to each others soldiers and civilians and were both guilty of war crimes and savagery. Even the western allies killed prisoners on occasion (you're in lala land if you think that never happened).

Everyone that fought in WW2 is either dead or close to it, its history, those regimes are long gone, lets get over it.
 
BeaverMeat said:
Each side is just as guilty of war crimes as the other. Only difference is that we were the victors and the victors pass judgment and write the history books.
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I have real trouble accepting that. Brutality happens in war. And you're just as dead if you are blown up as if you're beheaded, I agree. But the unrepentant savagery displayed by Japanese soldiers was unequalled in quantity and consistency. I'm not even going to get into the medical experimentation in the Japanese POW camps. As bad as anything that happened in Nazi concentration camps. There is no equivalent to this on the other side.

There is no equivalence in this regard between Japanese soldiers and how they behaved, and American/British/Canadian soldiers who fought against them.
 
BeaverMeat said:
What about the British firebombing of German cities? Namely Dresden. Or the numerous "precision" night bombing raids. That is just one example. Don't get me started on the Russian (Allies)

I have done much research in the History of WW2. Each side is just as guilty of war crimes as the other. Only difference is that we were the victors and the victors pass judgment and write the history books.

Like I said before. It was War!

I am in no way condoning the actions of Japanese; or German soldiers for that matter, just putting it into perspective.

Oh yeah... Vietnam (different war, but my point stands)
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The difference is that only two of these countries made it an official national policy to kill and exterminate entire populations of so called inferior human beings, Germany and Japan.
 
TJspeller said:
I have real trouble accepting that. Brutality happens in war. And you're just as dead if you are blown up as if you're beheaded, I agree. But the unrepentant savagery displayed by Japanese soldiers was unequalled in quantity and consistency. I'm not even going to get into the medical experimentation in the Japanese POW camps. As bad as anything that happened in Nazi concentration camps. There is no equivalent to this on the other side.

There is no equivalence in this regard between Japanese soldiers and how they behaved, and American/British/Canadian soldiers who fought against them.
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I think you are trying to draw a line.

What is the difference between a Japanese soldier beheading a American in a POW camp, or and an American soldier shooting a surrendering German solider during an invasion? D-day for example.
 
BeaverMeat said:
I think you are trying to draw a line.

What is the difference between a Japanese soldier beheading a American in a POW camp, or and an American soldier shooting a surrendering German solider during an invasion? D-day for example.
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The Japanese beheaded hundreds, thousands, of prisoners and civilians. It was a planned strategy of terror exacted upon people that they had dehumanized and felt no remorse towards. It was done in cold blood, over and over, in many different places by many different individuals. It was policy.

Allied soldiers shooting surrendering Germans, or Japanese, occurred in the heat of, or soon after, battle. There are no reports of POW camps in the US or controlled by the Allies where prisoners were sysmatically put to death as a means of punishment by their hundreds and thousands.

I think there is a difference.
 
bellero said:
The difference is that only two of these countries made it an official national policy to kill and exterminate entire populations of so called inferior human beings, Germany and Japan.
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Partly correct.

The Nazi's killed "inferiors" as to "purge" the population. Although, I would not say it was national policy. The Jewish were used as a scapegoats at first. And... then the Nazi's got out of hand with it. (notice I didn't say Hitler. It was a gang of bad guys with bad ideas, remember? Goebbels was responsible for most of the bad ideas)

The Japanese on the other-hand, did what most Empires tend to do. Conquer and pillage. "Rob us blind, and leave nothing behind" simple as that. I would not consider it "policy".
 
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TJspeller said:
The Japanese beheaded hundreds, thousands, of prisoners and civilians. It was a planned strategy of terror exacted upon people that they had dehumanized and felt no remorse towards. It was done in cold blood, over and over, in many different places by many different individuals. It was policy.

Allied soldiers shooting surrendering Germans, or Japanese, occurred in the heat of, or soon after, battle. There are no reports of POW camps in the US or controlled by the Allies where prisoners were sysmatically put to death as a means of punishment by their hundreds and thousands.

I think there is a difference.
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The British had the same idea. It was not POWs that they targeted, it was civilians. The idea was to bring fear (there's that word again) into the people of Germany. Even to the point of firebombing. (I recommend you look up the firebombing of Dresden)

Just to clarify. The Americans were in charge of the dangerous task of precision day time bombing of factories, infrastructure... etc. The British Commonwealth was tasked with night time "bomb the crap out of the city" raids. With one goal only. Demoralize the population of Germany.

It is all documented, look it up. (from a notable source)

Yes, you are still drawing a line.
 
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What the Japanese did to the Chinese and Koreans is something that many will never forget, ever. Even in a thousand years. Having said that, I like natural busty Japanese women.
 
BeaverMeat said:
The British had the same idea. It was not POWs that they targeted, it was civilians. The idea was to bring fear (there's that word again) into the people of Germany. Even to the point of firebombing. (I recommend you look up the firebombing of Dresden)

Just to clarify. The Americans were in charge of the dangerous task of precision day time bombing of factories, infrastructure... etc. The British Commonwealth was tasked with night time "bomb the crap out of the city" raids. With one goal only. Demoralize the population of Germany.

It is all documented, look it up. (from a notable source)

Yes, you are still drawing a line.
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I'm inclined to side with TJ here.

firebombing a city of a country you are at war with to disrupt their population, production, etc. is a little different from personally torturing and beheading POW's on a large scale, or acts of genocide.

to my knowledge, no Allied POW camp routine treated their POW's the way the japanese did
 
bellero said:
The difference is that only two of these countries made it an official national policy to kill and exterminate entire populations of so called inferior human beings, Germany and Japan.
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X2.

You cannot compare the ethnic cleansing of the Nazis and the brutal occupation practices of the Japanese to the Allied actions in WWII.

My father saw the Japanese bury prisoners alive, it made quite an impression on him.
 
History goes further back than just the last century, if none of your ancestors though-out history ever committed an atrocity on another race, then carry on.
 
BeaverMeat said:
What about the British firebombing of German cities? Namely Dresden. Or the numerous "precision" night bombing raids. That is just one example. Don't get me started on the Russian (Allies)

I have done much research in the History of WW2. Each side is just as guilty of war crimes as the other. Only difference is that we were the victors and the victors pass judgment and write the history books.

Like I said before. It was War!

I am in no way condoning the actions of Japanese; or German soldiers for that matter, just putting it into perspective.

Oh yeah... Vietnam (different war, but my point stands)
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Germany Bombed an allied house by mistake so they in turn did it back that's what started it. At the end of the war Germany had V2 rockets and was bombing the crap out of Britian who in turned firebombed the crap out of the Germans. It turned into a lets fight a military battle to screw it last man standing. They did fight it out with the Geneva convetion as well complaining about this and that like the USA using shotguns. The Germans said any solider caught with one would be killed on sight. Stuff like that went back and forth.

1000 years of fighting in 5 minutes. Makes you think
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geologist said:
Dresden, with its lack of strategic targets was an Allied atrocity courtesy of Bomber Harris.
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Oh its so simple these days isn't it.?...For those who lived in London, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry and many other allied cities during WW2, things were looked at somewhat differently in those days..

Bomber Harris in an interview with the Rev John Collins quoted:- "You want me to admit it was a terrible thing we did to Hamburg. Right, it was terrible, bloody ghastly..Feel better now.? Unless you can offer me alternative targets that will win the war quicker, shut up. You return to your concience and let me get back to war....

Tell me geologist...What is your 'simplified view' of Hiroshima and Nagasaki..??
 
tommyinbc said:
Oh its so simple these days isn't it.?...For those who lived in London, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry and many other allied cities during WW2, things were looked at somewhat differently in those days..

Bomber Harris in an interview with the Rev John Collins quoted:- "You want me to admit it was a terrible thing we did to Hamburg. Right, it was terrible, bloody ghastly..Feel better now.? Unless you can offer me alternative targets that will win the war quicker, shut up. You return to your concience and let me get back to war....

Tell me geologist...What is your 'simplified view' of Hiroshima and Nagasaki..??
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Boom Boom. Out go the lights.
 
TJspeller said:
Let's keep this in perspective. Remember how "dedicated" Japanese soldiers often treated their enemies in WWII, without a second thought, because of the racial and national supremacism that was drilled into them from birth. Some things cannot be forgotten or forgiven.

www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/arti...h-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html


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Isn't that the Kamloops Kid? One of the worst war criminals hung after the war was born and raised in Canada, eh.

While Japan unquestionably did some horrible things during the war, let's not forget that it was war, and everyone did horrible things. We just happen to read about it more because they lost. Also not to forget was that Japan went to war initially because their colonial ambitions were checked by the UN, and vital supplies cut off as punishment for those ambitions. Funny that harsh colonialism in the region was fine when done by western countries(did the UN sanction France, the British, the Dutch or the Americans for their often brutal colonization and exploitation in the Pacific sphere?), but unacceptable when perpetrated by Japan, who had just as much right to be there.

Some of the "knowledge" on this thread reads like Chinese trolls stirring up anti-Japan sentiment. They do exist...
 
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