The Legal Answer to using quick change barrel systems at the range (ACR 18.5 to 12.5)

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THIS IS NOT MY PERSONAL ADVICE, DO WITH THIS INFORMATION WHAT YOU WISH. THIS IS SIMPLY ME CALLING THE CFO AND ASKING QUESTIONS (ON DEC 9 2013)
IF YOU DONT THINK ITS LEGAL, GOOD FOR YOU. CALL THE CFO YOURSELF AND PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT OR WRONG, THEN SHARE YOUR FINDINGS. NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE LAW, HOW YOU THINK IT WORKS, OR HOW IT SHOULD WORK. WE ALL HATE IT EQUALLY
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I called the CFO today and here is the conversation.

I said I have a rifle that has a quick change barrel system installed. Barrels can be changed within 1 minute. I currently have an 18.5" barrel on it, making it non-restricted. I also have a 12.5" barrel at home which would make the rifle restricted.

CFO - "Does the 12.5" barrel would change it from a Semi-Auto."

Myself - "No".

CFO - "Okay."


Myself - "Can I drive to a restricted approved gun range with the 18.5 inch configuration, with no registration, then at the range, put on a 12.5" barrel and use it? "

CFO- "No you cannot, once you change the classification of a firearm to restricted, it must be stored until it is registered. You have 30 days to change registration."


But here is what the officer said I can do!!


CFO - "Register the firearm as restricted with a 12.5" barrel. As soon as you install the 18.5" barrel the rifle becomes non-restricted, and no paperwork/registration is needed. All current paperwork saying it’s restricted because of the 12.5" barrel in not applicable. You can take the rifle to crown land and use it as a non-restricted firearm. As long as the rifle has the 18.5" barrel on it, it trumps all registration, because it becomes non restricted and does not require any registration. You can install the 12.5" at any time where it is legal to do so, (Home, approved restricted gun range), and use it right away because it already has registration for a 12.5" configuration. Remember, as long as the 18.5" barrel is installed, the entire rifle is NON RESTRICTED, even though it has a restricted registration (which says 12.5" on it)."


SOUNDS GOOD TO ME :)

It would be great if someone else could call and ask the same questions, CFO answers are not always the same.
 
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What happens when the RCMP/conservation officer stops you while shooting on crown land/coming back from a hunt and run the serial/regi in the computer and it comes back restricted?
 
not illegal to use a restricted on crown land, only to transport it there and back... advice that will get your rifle confiscated but prove me wrong.
 
Brian46 said:
What happens when the RCMP/conservation officer stops you while shooting on crown land/coming back from a hunt and run the serial/regi in the computer and it comes back restricted?
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I asked that, and he said the 18.5" barrel would stop him from running any checks, its non-restricted and there is no entry for that firearm. And if he did check, he would only find the 12.5" restricted classification that would not apply....
I asked how would he know that its an 18.5" barrel on the rifle. CFO Officer said the officer on the scene would have to measure it.
 
What happens when the RCMP (or their liberal masters) deem the ACR prohibited and they check the registry and see you have the rifle but show up and it's gone. They will probably charge you with transferring a restricted illegally. Sure you can claim that you converted it to NR for before you sold it. See where that gets you.

I had a Tavor with two barrels. Unfortunately I never put the restricted barrel on before I sold it. I never had to call the CFC to notify them of any change, and never endured their headaches.
 
airtruck63chev said:
not illegal to use a restricted on crown land, only to transport it there and back... advice that will get your rifle confiscated but prove me wrong.
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Since when is it legal to use a restricted on crown land? Its not, restricted can only be discharged at an approved restricted gun range. Or else you would be allowed to hunt with restricted as long as you get TATT..
 
hmm sounds like that time the CFO told me I could shoot my pistol "where ever it is legal to shoot a long gun". I'd get it in writing.
 
Since people have time to respond to this thread, I'm sure they have time to make a phone call. Maybe once enough phone calls have been made we can get a consistent answer, and even get it in writing. I'm not saying I'm doing any of the above and I don't recommend you do it until you get a document stating this is legal. I don't even have an 18.5 or 12.5 inch barrel. I was just tired of random people saying what they think is legal and not legal.
 
Why is everyone so negative and nit picking the hell out of this? You are basing all your crap on opinion and fear and polskadude went out of his way and actually called the CFO to get facts for us. If you do it the way he describes you are legal but if you start twisting it around then you are breaking the law. You can what-if this to death but your will get nowhere.
I would also like to get that in writing but if that's what they said then why question it.

I personally don't want my ACR to remain on any registry so I'm going to have it re-classed as soon as the 18.5 inch barrel shows up. If that means my 12.5 inch barrel sits at home in the parts box until the collapse of society and it becomes my SHTF gun then that's fine with me. Once we hit a state of WROL then I don't care about classification anymore but until then I'll follow their stupid laws to keep myself and this great rifle out of trouble.
 
polskadude said:
Register the firearm as restricted with a 12.5" barrel. As soon as you install the 18.5" barrel the rifle becomes non-restricted, and no paperwork/registration is needed. All current paperwork saying it’s restricted because of the 12.5" barrel in not applicable.
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Putting a longer barrel on your rifle doesn't magically change its classification with the CFC. To reclassify and de-register that rifle you would need to install the long barrel, have it verified and have the verifier send the paperwork in to the CFC. Eventually they will get back to you and confirm you are now the owner of a non-restricted rifle. This is how gunsmiths have to do it when they convert a restricted over to non-restricted or a prohib to restricted (in the case of a 12.6 handgun). These rules don't change for you just because you want them to, re-classifications must be verified and submitted for approval.

What you are proposing to do is completely illegal and will get you busted if you get checked out.


Mark
 
airtruck63chev said:
not illegal to use a restricted on crown land, only to transport it there and back... advice that will get your rifle confiscated but prove me wrong.
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According to whom good Sir? The use of restricted is only permitted at a designated and approved range designed specifically for this purpose. Crown land is not designed or approved for restricted use...
please Sir I happily invite you to prove me wrong with facts and I will gladly eat my words. Otherwise please do not state something as fact telling other cgners to commit illegal acts .
thanks
sorry boss quoted the wrong post .:/
Agree with your words100%
 
If you have a non resctricted barrel on it why would they check the registery for something that wont be there? So its pretty much non resctricted unless you have a super uptight and thorough police officer.
 
Considering Ontario's Provincial CFO's track record of re-interpret Federal Law, I won't start running into the woods with your converted 18" restricted rifle just yet. His suggestion of an officer will not run a check when he sees a 18" barrel is just silly, but more than likely he will run the serial number to ensure it is not stolen, in which the classification will more than likely pop up.
 
Caleb314 said:
If you have a non resctricted barrel on it why would they check the registery for something that wont be there? So its pretty much non resctricted unless you have a super uptight and thorough police officer.
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Please feel free to test this....
but first pick your most valuable restricted to try it with seeing as you are confidant...
then please make sure to cross path's with a "friendly, intelligent, well read" CO and
after you finish up in court let us know how it went...
still so bold? :p :stirthepot2:
 
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