The legality of AA .50 Beowulf Magazines?

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So if you don't know .50 Beowulf is a cartridge made by Alexander Arms sold as an AR15 conversion kit. They have a magazine for the cartridge that holds 5 rds of it.

That magazine happens to hold 15 rounds of .223 people use it like the 14 rds of 9mm in a .40 S&W magazine thing a few years ago.


There is an RCMP bulletin EXACTLY about this practice.


5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
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So there is a shortage of these mags, the ones for sale cost a lot of money (think Valmet) and nobody seems to be bringing more in.

So a vendor here decided to have someone make some. E-Lander of Israel made a .50 Beowulf magazine that is IDENTICAL in spec to the OEM AA Arms ones allowed in country.

It got denied under the ruling of being a "dual purpose magazine". What is "dual purpose", never seen this ruling before or anywhere in the FA.


So on one hand you have a bulletin saying this is perfectly legal, on another hand you have this "dual propose" ruling.

So how do the original mags stand legally? They are identical in spec to the ones the RCMP ruled dual use. I feel like this is the next Valmet
 
What's with guys trying to sell PCV mags for $100? You can get them at the manufacturer website for half that...I can understand real AA ones as they're rare as hens teeth...but PCV? Really?
 
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The next valmet? You lost me with that one. Politicians drafted the regulation that prohib'd the AK lineage, but at the same time excepted the valmet m78 and hunter.

Written law vs interpretation of a law. Two different things.
 
They have played the "dual purpose" card a few times before. The BX-25 magazines come to mind, at least I think it's those ones I'm not much of a rimfire guy. The lab claimed they were intended for use in a pistol and thus must be limited to 10 rather than the 25 capacity they normally had.

Then there's the Mossberg MVP. It was advertised as taking AR15 magazines so now any magazines intended and designed for the MVP are considered AR15 magazines and need to be limited to 5.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Just got 12 more PVC-50 mags yesterday.

Stack em High, Stack em Deep.
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It's actually irrelevant, if they are illegal then I might as well just un-pin GI mags.

The "unnameable" mags aren't allowed here because apparently the legality needs to be confirmed. If you read that part I quoted the law seems like these things would be legal. They are 5 round .50 Beowulf mags.

A post from mods here says that they need to get RCMP approval, a magazine is either prohibited or not. If it's not prohibited it's an unregulated item which requires no approval of any sort by anybody.


So you got actual law saying all three of these mags should be legal yet only one is considered Kosher. The original AA mags. The other plastic mags and the E-Lander copy which is 100% to spec is somehow illegal.
 
I assume you mean denied from import? Because import approvals have little to do with documents from the firearms tech unit and don't have to have anything to do with the law. If the cbsa believes they are prohibited, they will be barred from import
 
Supposedly they got the OK from the rcmp before going ahead with production. They are stamped 5 round capacity .50 Beowulf.
Just a quick FYI they are called "PCV" mags (press check venture) not "PVC"
 
DILLIGAF said:
If the PVC-50 are illegal, why is the RCMP not shutting them down.
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I'm asking myself the same thing. If they are illegal why does this forum nuke everything about them (including this thread likely)?

Why would they say the E-Lander copies are "dual purpose" and thus prohibited/illegal if they are a copy of the original AA ones.


I'm not challenging anyone here, I'm trying to make sense of all the contradictions around .50 Beowulf Magazines.
 
Press Check Ventures say that the RCMP approved their mag BEFORE they even produced them (they asked first). This was just asked at another forum. That being said, their "gen 1" mags said .50 caliber and their "gen 2" mags say .50 beowulf just to be clearer.
 
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I'm asking myself the same thing. If they are illegal why does this forum nuke everything about them (including this thread likely)?

Why would they say the E-Lander copies are "dual purpose" and thus prohibited/illegal if they are a copy of the original AA ones.


I'm not challenging anyone here, I'm trying to make sense of all the contradictions around .50 Beowulf Magazines.
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If these .50 Beowulf magazines were illegal, how come the RCMP has not come out and say they are ILLEGAL? And possession of any of these magazines can land you in jail?
You have to remember RCMP does not decide what is legal and what is not (not suppose to anyways). They are suppose to enforce the laws ONLY.
 
so the PCV ones that they are currently selling on their website aRe good to go as I understand it. hopefully they have some left you greedy vultures!
 
I couldnt buy them all lol just thought they would be sold out by now with all the hype on these mags.
 
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