The legality of AA .50 Beowulf Magazines?

Seagull said:
I just check AA website. I realy want one of those 50 uppers. The funny this is they don't even list a 5 round mag, 4, 7 and 10. What am I missing?
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The 5 rounder PCV ones are non-OEM. They are manufactured in canada allowing them to circumvent having to submit a sample to the RCMP for a go or no go stance.

In NR Mag's one post they stated that the RCMP had said they were pursuing other illegitimate business practices pertaining to .50 cal magazines.

I talked to Chris from Armtac a week ago while looking for a Ares Armor Effin A comp, and mentioned the whole Beowulf deal and asked when he was going to stop slacking and get more mags, etc in. His answer was that he is currently waiting for an answer back from the RCMP about the legit A.A. .50 Beowulf OEM mags legality as he had submitted some for analysis by the firearms lab. I worry greatly that this will end with a TSE/Swiss style mobbing on Armtac if this goes the wrong way. Either way it is our f**ked up laws that are the real problem.
 
onetwentyish said:
His answer was that he is currently waiting for an answer back from the RCMP about the legit A.A. .50 Beowulf OEM mags legality as he had submitted some for analysis by the firearms lab.
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So he didn't need approval to bring them in the first time but needs approval for a second run?

andrew3081 said:
From what one dealer told me, AA will not export to Canada anymore because RCMP will not approve the import...so no the RCMP is not 'honoring' the AA .50 beuwolf magazines.
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Since when does the RCMP approve imports? I was under the impression that it was handled by Canada customs. Last time I checked, goods coming in by truck/road, rail & air are all inspected by the CBSA. If something is illegal like a prohibited magazine, it would be bared from entry. If it's legal it's allowed.

Unless ArmTac smuggled the magazines in originally, I can't see how the CBSA would allow entry of a prohibited item. The legality of the product was likely interpreted on the spot by the CBSA officer. So it's a magazine that's stamped .50 Beowulf and it holds five rounds of that cartridge. Sounds about as compliant as you can get.


Does AA make the original magazines themselves? If they don't I wouldn't doubt them coming from a contractor that probably produces 30 rd AR15 rifle magazines. They simply stamp .50 Beowulf on them and slightly widen the feed lips.

Has anyone ever taken calipers to the mags vs standard USGI mags? I feel like it wouldn't be that different...
 
Brordo said:
What's with guys trying to sell PCV mags for $100? You can get them at the manufacturer website for half that...I can understand real AA ones as they're rare as hens teeth...but PCV? Really?
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lol exactly what i saw. I was going to message him with the site to get them for half his asking.

i might go ahead and purchase a few
 
My answers are in bold within your quote.

mini15 said:
So he didn't need approval to bring them in the first time but needs approval for a second run? Armtac is doing this strictly on their own accord to cover thier ass. This is why I am worried there will be substantial community backlash is these are deemed dual use. Comparable to what we seen happen to TSE over the SA rifles.

Does AA make the original magazines themselves? No. CAA from Israel makes all of the polymer ones, as well as the ATRS pistol mags and the mags featured in the US Tavor SAR. Normal 5/30 rounders can be found at TSE and other retailers I am sure. If they don't I wouldn't doubt them coming from a contractor that probably produces 30 rd AR15 rifle magazines. They simply stamp .50 Beowulf on them and slightly widen the feed lips...
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onetwentyish said:
My answers are in bold within your quote.
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You can sure as hell bet there will be backlash. The RCMP hasn't issues bulletins on every mag that goes over 5 rounds or every single "loophole" product out there designed to give us more. This is just the biggest loophole in a long time. It's implications are massive as if it's Kosher then it opens up the door to .50 Beowulf "Pistols" and regular capacity magazines which is completely against every LEO and Anti-gun supporting organization.

On paper everything seems good, it seems like poking the bear and getting them to agree with something they don't like instead of just standing our ground is what gets things banned.


CAA does not make the metal USGI style .50 Beowulf magazines. I have two of them and looking at them right now it looks like a standard USGI magazine. I don't even think calipers can measure the difference. I might need a micrometer.

The reason I'm saying that is; taking into consideration the expense it is to manufacture magazines, it's highly likely that these magazines are outsourced and very likely produced by a company that makes AR15 rifle magazines.

Here is what it boils down to.

If this is made by a company that makes USGI Rifle mags then the only thing different here is that it's stamped "Beowulf" on the bottom. The E-Lander Beowulf mags were deemed dual use. The reasoning behind that is that it was "dual use" since it was just an AR15 rifle mag stamped Beowulf.

So how is one legal and the other not. Other then the fact that one is OEM and made by the company that makes the cartridge, which gives it a little more legitimacy. Nothing seems different.
 
onetwentyish said:
I agree 100%.

If they do go against it, I got $50 for every beo mag I own to go towards the NFA. And that puts me at 5 bills.
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It's either that or I can see Beowulf magazines become the next "Valmet". You know when somebody posts the usual newbie thread about "How do I get an AK in Canada", there are ten replies of "No you can't" and then one person comes out and says, "Well if you're willing to spend a lot there this thing called the Valmet".

Now just sub in, AK for Capacity over then rounds and Valmet for Beowulf mag.

The cost would be prohibitive for most, the small number of them in country would make their impact to the capacity regulations non-existent.
 
Talking obout making them prohibitted devices. Patience, just give them time. And if the RCMP don't, Justin will. All in good time.
 
mini15 said:
It's either that or I can see Beowulf magazines become the next "Valmet". You know when somebody posts the usual newbie thread about "How do I get an AK in Canada", there are ten replies of "No you can't" and then one person comes out and says, "Well if you're willing to spend a lot there this thing called the Valmet".

Now just sub in, AK for Capacity over then rounds and Valmet for Beowulf mag.

The cost would be prohibitive for most, the small number of them in country would make their impact to the capacity regulations non-existent.
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That is a possibility, but strongly guess that would not be how this happens. Beings that you could technically still buy valmets if the company still made them. You can still import them from the states and so on.

So if OEM beo mags are deemed okay then it should not affect the import permits. This is all just in theory anyway, hopefully we dont have to have beo mags soon as the current laws do nothing to restrict criminals from breaking the laws.
 
Well this thing is almost two years in the making and these potentially game changing devices are still out of reach for most. There is strength in numbers.

I remember when LAR mags hit the market, stores couldn't keep them on the shelf. By the time the antis got wind of that one the market was flooded and manufactures were cranking them out by the thousands.

Seriously AA and whatever Canadian distributor who partners up could both become millionaires off of something like this.
 
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