THE "LTR" thread
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What sort of tips or suggestions can you guys offer for the Newbie looking to get in on this.
If you had to do it all over again how you would start out? Any suggestions for good prices on these rifles?
What the the deciding factors for you guys between the .223 and .308?
The differences in the SWS, TWS, LTR etc ?
If you had to do it all over again how you would start out? Any suggestions for good prices on these rifles?
What the the deciding factors for you guys between the .223 and .308?
The differences in the SWS, TWS, LTR etc ?
well firstly the SWS and TWS are just like a package that has stuff on top of the rifles where the LTR and P are just the rifles themselves.
As for a good place to get them. A suprisingly large amount of us on this thread got ours over at *** (wow that actually got blocked! lol), just google it.
A L B E R T A T A C T I C A L R I F L E
there... I said it...
As for the ammunition, I have mine in .308 and prefer it over the smaller .223, but a lot of guys here like the .223s too for shorter distance target shooting. But I like it in .308 as I find it a more versatile round as well as good for hunting. They are both common rounds that can be found for good prices and are easy to find reloading stuff for. The .223 being much smaller obviously has smaller recoil if that is important to you. It is also a little cheaper to reload mainly due to less powder and smaller products being used.
Both are accurate rounds that provide a ton of fun for those that shoot them.
You will probably also want a bipod, good scope, rings, base, etc. You will get a million and a half different recommendations from users.
A popular scope for the rifles is the Leupold Mark 4 tactical scope. If you can afford one Skullboy with be the first to jump on recommenting a Schmidt and Bender (the farrari of scopes one would say)
I personally have a Tasco Super Sniper. Great scope but hard to find in Canada as it is not available here.
There is also nightforce which is also quite popular and zeiss for the more pricey ones.
A popular cheaper scope is the Bushnell 10x mildot.
There are a lot of rings and bases out there, the better and more expensive ones are the Badger Ordinance bases and rings. Leupold has really good rings as well (I have) Ken Farrel is also a good base maker and there are tone in this area so i'll let others fly at it.
For a bipod, I have a versapod, and hate it so I recommend a harris for sure, which I will be switching over to after I can sell my current bipod and afford a good replacement. Hear that guys?? I give you first dibs on a 6-9 Versapod tilt that i'll put up on EE once i figure out a price (good condit I just don't like the fit as much) pm offers if you want.
Hope that helps you out Critter, good luck and happy shooting, if not now, maybe soon!
As for a good place to get them. A suprisingly large amount of us on this thread got ours over at *** (wow that actually got blocked! lol), just google it.
A L B E R T A T A C T I C A L R I F L E
there... I said it...
As for the ammunition, I have mine in .308 and prefer it over the smaller .223, but a lot of guys here like the .223s too for shorter distance target shooting. But I like it in .308 as I find it a more versatile round as well as good for hunting. They are both common rounds that can be found for good prices and are easy to find reloading stuff for. The .223 being much smaller obviously has smaller recoil if that is important to you. It is also a little cheaper to reload mainly due to less powder and smaller products being used.
Both are accurate rounds that provide a ton of fun for those that shoot them.
You will probably also want a bipod, good scope, rings, base, etc. You will get a million and a half different recommendations from users.
A popular scope for the rifles is the Leupold Mark 4 tactical scope. If you can afford one Skullboy with be the first to jump on recommenting a Schmidt and Bender (the farrari of scopes one would say)
I personally have a Tasco Super Sniper. Great scope but hard to find in Canada as it is not available here.
There is also nightforce which is also quite popular and zeiss for the more pricey ones.
A popular cheaper scope is the Bushnell 10x mildot.
There are a lot of rings and bases out there, the better and more expensive ones are the Badger Ordinance bases and rings. Leupold has really good rings as well (I have) Ken Farrel is also a good base maker and there are tone in this area so i'll let others fly at it.
For a bipod, I have a versapod, and hate it so I recommend a harris for sure, which I will be switching over to after I can sell my current bipod and afford a good replacement. Hear that guys?? I give you first dibs on a 6-9 Versapod tilt that i'll put up on EE once i figure out a price (good condit I just don't like the fit as much) pm offers if you want.
Hope that helps you out Critter, good luck and happy shooting, if not now, maybe soon!
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Critter,
Some of the basics:
1 - really depends what you intend to use the rifle for.
2 - .223 is cheaper to shoot than .308. Personally prefer the .308.
3 - Not aware that the SWS is available in Canada.
4 - Bang for the $$$ - LTR (1); TWS(2);
So if it were pure economics: LTR in a .223.
However not always that simple: SWS only comes in 7.62 & 300Win Mag with a "better" Remmy 5R barrel.
There is also the USR.
The only limitation is time and money...
Some of the basics:
1 - really depends what you intend to use the rifle for.
2 - .223 is cheaper to shoot than .308. Personally prefer the .308.
3 - Not aware that the SWS is available in Canada.
4 - Bang for the $$$ - LTR (1); TWS(2);
So if it were pure economics: LTR in a .223.
However not always that simple: SWS only comes in 7.62 & 300Win Mag with a "better" Remmy 5R barrel.
There is also the USR.
The only limitation is time and money...
I have succumed to the dark side. Just put an order in for a LTR in .223 Remington. Always wanted a dual purpose .223 and I've made up my mind now was the time to do it.
This thread and others like it helped "push" my decision sooner than expected. lol.
This thread and others like it helped "push" my decision sooner than expected. lol.
When selecting twist rate the rule of thumb is faster twist for heavier bullet. I just ordered a 1 in 12 from Mclennan because I plan on possibly shooting up to 180 grains.(maybe) usually for a .308 using a 168 grain bullet the best twist is 1 in 14 and I believe most factory .308s are 1 in 10 because of the ability to shoot such a broad range of bullet weights. Much controversy on this topic.
Rohann said:Heh heh heh
-Rohann
Ordered it from my local club. He'll likely end up buying it through Wholesale Sports.
This will likely be one of those guns that'll see a lot of use from me. 99% of my shooting is done within 200 yds. so it's perfect. I wanna paint this thing just like the white LTR posted in this thread or maybe all earth-tone or brown.
I have a .308 VSF and another 700 SA project on the go that'll be either another .308 or possibly a 6mm depending on what I finally decide.
Can you guys suggest based on your commuity knowledge the best route for me to take when it comes to choosing a calibre.
The .223 makes sense for cost of ammo as I do not reload as of yet. and I'vce only got a 300m range avaliable to me and lots of Cycotes.
But the .308 would be fun, I like the lound bang it makes. It would also make a great Deer/Moose gun for trips up north to a buddies camps.
I'm kinda leaning towards the idea of getting the .308 now and then just buying a 22-250 for Cycotes. Not many places in SW Ontario for a .308 other then on the range.
Thoughs and opinions are always welcome.
The .223 makes sense for cost of ammo as I do not reload as of yet. and I'vce only got a 300m range avaliable to me and lots of Cycotes.
But the .308 would be fun, I like the lound bang it makes. It would also make a great Deer/Moose gun for trips up north to a buddies camps.
I'm kinda leaning towards the idea of getting the .308 now and then just buying a 22-250 for Cycotes. Not many places in SW Ontario for a .308 other then on the range.
Thoughs and opinions are always welcome.
Critter81 said:
Sounds like you're trying to talk yourself out of buying a .223? If all your target shooting is done at 300m or less and you're going coyote hunting, a .223 makes perfect sense. Those are the main reasons why I am getting mine in that chambering.
Not only is ammo cheaper than .308 Win. it's more fun to shoot because it won't beat you up. .308's in this rifle tend to have a greater felt recoil than say a 700P, and can get a little jumpy on the bench because of the relatively light weight and stock design of the LTR.
Obviously, not my rifle but one I would be rather pleased to call my own.
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Personally, I would go the .308 route if you are planning on using the rifle for more than just target shooting, especially at game larger than a coyote.
I hunt deer, bear, moose and elk (given I am able to get a tag or LEH for the animal)
It is generally agreed that .223 is not quite a large enough calibre for that type of game (some may argue shot placement) but most would agree that the .308 is a solid and stable round for most big game hunting.
The recoil on the LTR is pretty light as it is a pretty heavy rifle compared to any standard non-heavy barrel rifles in the same calibre. In a given session at the range I shoot from 20-60 rounds and I am a pretty skinny guy so there is no fat there to take up the impact.
.223 is a great target round and good for hunting small game and varmint, but for the most versatility in both hunting and target .308 is the way to go..
And as for economics, .223 is cheaper for sure but the difference in price is not huge.
I hunt deer, bear, moose and elk (given I am able to get a tag or LEH for the animal)
It is generally agreed that .223 is not quite a large enough calibre for that type of game (some may argue shot placement) but most would agree that the .308 is a solid and stable round for most big game hunting.
The recoil on the LTR is pretty light as it is a pretty heavy rifle compared to any standard non-heavy barrel rifles in the same calibre. In a given session at the range I shoot from 20-60 rounds and I am a pretty skinny guy so there is no fat there to take up the impact.
.223 is a great target round and good for hunting small game and varmint, but for the most versatility in both hunting and target .308 is the way to go..
And as for economics, .223 is cheaper for sure but the difference in price is not huge.
ceriksson said:
Here in SW Ontario there really isn't anything that we can hunt with a .308 within a 6 hour drive North. Our Dear season here is Shotgun and Black Powder.
If there was more game to go after in this area with a .308 then it might make more sense. I'll just have to buy a seperate rifle for hunting up there ... or just buy another LTR later on hahaha.
Yea, being in BC makes it quite different for me for hunting then, so heck, you might as well get it in .223. It'll save you cash at least, though there are some good longer distance ranges in SW Ontario isn't there?
I wouldn't carry a heavy barelled rifle for hunting big game - period . That includes an LTR. Too heavy a rifle for carrying long distances. Lots of guys using heavy profile barrels hunting varmints because the huntng, generally speaking, is more stationary in nature so the weight issue is not a big concern.
How do you figure that? You can buy .223 for about $7-$8 per 20 rds. depending upon ammunition type. Where are you picking up .308 Win. for anywhere close to that? Normally, 20 rds. of .308 Win. is X2 the price or greater.
Don't get me wrong, I love my .308's and it sounds like the guy wants to buy one, so have at her! Maybe he should buy one of each?
How do you figure that? You can buy .223 for about $7-$8 per 20 rds. depending upon ammunition type. Where are you picking up .308 Win. for anywhere close to that? Normally, 20 rds. of .308 Win. is X2 the price or greater.
Don't get me wrong, I love my .308's and it sounds like the guy wants to buy one, so have at her! Maybe he should buy one of each?
