The M-14's are in.

Who was the suppier of this rifle? Was it accompanied by a checked off inspection sheet?
Well, back out the setscrew, and turn the barrel in to index.
 
tiriaq said:
Who was the suppier of this rifle? Was it accompanied by a checked off inspection sheet?
Well, back out the setscrew, and turn the barrel in to index.
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Is adjusting the indexing that easy? No torque values etc? If so why are people so upset about it?
 
80 lbf (sorry, "English" units here) is the USGI drawing F7790191 requirement for minimum torque for the barrel to the receiver. Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc. has told me that 50 lbf is sufficient to secure the barrel in place.
 
Wow, thanks for the quick reply. No worries about standard measure, us guys over 40, and most tech guys up here are all "bilingual" or more adept at english units anyway. I still convert temperatures, speed etc back to get a sense of what's going on. :)
Anyone have a primer on re-indexing?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here but if you HAVE to index the barrel as in Hollyman's case, wouldn't that affect the headspacing by a few thou? Is it critical?
Somehow I get the feeling that the answer will be "No, its not critical...hell, its a norinco!" :)
(Yes, over 40 here...so I know im-peer-e-all better hehehe)
 
If the barrel has to be shifted 5 degrees, that could result in a change in headspace of less than 1 1/2 thousandths of an inch, without comsidering compression under torque. .0015" would be irrelevant.
These harrels tend to be pretty tight, and shifting index a few degrees isn't going to make any difference as far as having adequate torque is concerned. If it were hand tight, the shoulder would need to be adjusted, or a breeching washer fitted.
 
Holleyman said:
........ but don't have anything around to clamp the barrel that won't chew everything up. I ordered a Brownells barrel vise and a receiver wrench, should be here next week.........
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Not every wants to spend this much more, or can. The Marstar checklist thing is obviously BULL and they need to lay of it imo. They really shouldn't be misleading us with this stuff.

AF
 
well... I'm no liscenced gunsmith... so won't charge for the use of my tools... so that said...... For any guys local to surrey, or if yer passin through, and you need your barrel indexed..... p.m. me.
The going rate for gas unitizing seems to be a large double double from timmies....... so in that spirit...... just show up with a large hot chocolate ;) and i'll break out the vice and wrench.
OR.... attend one of our monthly meetings of the "wet coast m14 support group" and these issues will be addressed and the tools on hand to remedy.

I'll be showing a machinist friend my vice and bushings..... in an effort to have these tools made, and availlable to the cgn community rather than having to order from brownells.
 
ARTIE FUFKIN;

Would you please explain the statement "The Marstar checklist thing is obviously BULL and they need to lay of it imo. They really shouldn't be misleading us with this stuff"

DID you receive one with your M-14 ?? Has anyone received such a form in the past year ??.

John
 
johnone said:
ARTIE FUFKIN;

Would you please explain the statement "The Marstar checklist thing is obviously BULL and they need to lay of it imo. They really shouldn't be misleading us with this stuff"

DID you receive one with your M-14 ?? Has anyone received such a form in the past year ??.

John
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I think they are referring to a checklist they received in the past from Marstar - when I bought my Yugo SKS in 2004, and my NP28, they both came with checklists. I purchased an M305 off another guy in 2005 that came from Marstar, and it came with a checklist. I got an M305 on Christmas eve this year (from Marstar), and it did not have a checklist. I thought there would be one, but there wasn't. The gun was in a sealed bag, so I really don't think anyone looked at it, unless Marstar seals all the M305's in bags.

I'm not saying any of this as a complaint...I think some people just assumed that the new guns would come with a checklist, as they had in the past. I don't remember it saying anywhere on the Marstar website that the guns WOULD come with one, so I'm not sure if anyone really should be that upset over the lack of a checklist. I do appreciate the speedy service from Marstar, and I know they stand behind their products.
 
I believe most guys figured the new m14s rifles would be free of simple issues like improperly indexed barrels , loose op rod guides ect....
while I do not remember marstar mentioning an inspection sheet... based on the quote below..... I think most were expecting "the best" that there was to offer with these rifles..... based on these types of comments below:

johnone said:
The Norinco marked guns seen on the Canadian market have varied.

HOWEVER, I have pointed out many, many times, Marstar established a very strick QC criteria with Norinco a long time ago when we agreed to represent them in Canada and elsewhere.... Otherwise we could not offer our warranty.

That said, as you are aware sometime ago Marstar purchased all remaining components for the M-14 that remained in China, we contracted to have these components built into finished rifles.

From that production run Marstar accepted the vast majority, however some did NOT meet our criteria, are these the ones recently seen in Canada ? I have no way of knowing.

After all, if we don't feel we can garantee a given firearm, we will NOT import and sell it.... No all importers share our opinion.

Regards and thank you
John
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Forget checksheets. Marstar has a warranty. Go to their website and read it. Follow the link and read the second page as well. You have 30 days from the date they shipped the rifle to you to contact them and ask for and get permission, and then return it.
It is a customer satisfaction warranty. There are no standards for quality, condition, fit, finish, function, etc. defined for the firearm. You have a window of opportunity to ask for permission to send the thing back, and for it to reach them. Unless return is authorized, the firearm will not be accepted. Pretty basic - if you aren't satisfied, ask to return it, get permission, and get it on its way. If you want to deal with barrel indexing, headspacing issues, unservicable sights, (which may or may not be the case), it is your business, and you might have a few days to make up your mind.
 
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If it only were silver solder - it isn't - its steel weld. And given the usual variable QC, the welds may vary from weak and slipshod to sound, clear, homogenous airhardened welds.
 
They are not continuing to weld the supressor. The welding was done years ago. Remember, these rifles are being assembled for leftover parts.
 
johnone said:
ARTIE FUFKIN;

Would you please explain the statement "The Marstar checklist thing is obviously BULL and they need to lay of it imo. They really shouldn't be misleading us with this stuff"

DID you receive one with your M-14 ?? Has anyone received such a form in the past year ??.

John
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I apologize John. Was under the impression from reading here that they were all inspected before leaving the door and sent with said sheet. Obviously I misunderstood. Didn't know its was an older thing. Know exactly where I stand now and have a clear idea of what to expect.

AF
 
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