The M1 Garand
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Do the Garands that were made for 308/762x51 have different rear and front handguard lengths? I know the stock itself is 1/2" shorter than for one in 30-06. Haven't found much info online on parts specific to 308 for my project M1.
The Italian military Tipo 2 conversions to 7.62 have a barrel that's .5 inch shorter than regular length barrels. These require a correspondingly shortened op rod, stock, rear handguard and op rod spring. All other parts are the same.
The US Navy converted a lot of them to 7.62x51, both by rebarreling and ''chamber sleeves''
The chamber sleeves kept being extracted with the fired case, so they went with new barrels, that were the same length as the original 30-06 barrels, so they wouldn't have to change hand guards and op rods, etc.
Unlike the Italians that used shorter barrels/op rods, stocks, etc.
They did keep a bunch of the Sleeved rifles, up to the point they were surplussed through CMP, from what I heard. If you come across one of these US Navy conversions, check to see if they are sleeved. They can definitely be dangerous, especially with hot ammo or rapid fire.
Yup, and if the smith didn't know what he was doing, they became uninstalled in a vicious manner.
I saw a few of those come out.
No one was injured and neither of the rifles were ruined, there was just a very nasty flash and blowback of gasses from around the insert after it came loose.
The fired case stayed in the insert as the insert was pulled back.
When I say neither of the rifles were ruined, the insert stayed jammed in the receiver.
The thing was, it was never able to be put back into the receiver, without soldering them in place.
The initial fit was a swaged fit, where the barrel tenon/shank had to be heated and the insert had to be frozen before it was inserted. When everything came back to normal temperatures and the insert slightly expanded as the tenon/shank shrunk around it, the bond should have been as strong as a weld.
It worked well until the shooter got things to hot.
I've used the same method to replace damaged 22LR chambers and even a couple of M1 Carbine chambers.
Tolerances are extremely critical and the run out on a lathe can easily create a situation that isn't going to work out well.
I saw a few of those come out.
No one was injured and neither of the rifles were ruined, there was just a very nasty flash and blowback of gasses from around the insert after it came loose.
The fired case stayed in the insert as the insert was pulled back.
When I say neither of the rifles were ruined, the insert stayed jammed in the receiver.
The thing was, it was never able to be put back into the receiver, without soldering them in place.
The initial fit was a swaged fit, where the barrel tenon/shank had to be heated and the insert had to be frozen before it was inserted. When everything came back to normal temperatures and the insert slightly expanded as the tenon/shank shrunk around it, the bond should have been as strong as a weld.
It worked well until the shooter got things to hot.
I've used the same method to replace damaged 22LR chambers and even a couple of M1 Carbine chambers.
Tolerances are extremely critical and the run out on a lathe can easily create a situation that isn't going to work out well.
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Wondering if I can get some advice on “safe ammo” for these things. Is BARNAUL 30-06 SPRINGFIELD 145GR FMJ ok to shot in the m1 Garand ?
Was considering buying some of these Prvi PPU M1 Garand 30-06 Springfield 150 Grain Fmj
I have some but will buy different ammo if it will cause any damage to the rifle. I know the things like to be well I
Edit: just found this interesting write up on m1 garand m2 ball ammo vs commercial rounds. https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=280639&page=2
Was considering buying some of these Prvi PPU M1 Garand 30-06 Springfield 150 Grain Fmj
I have some but will buy different ammo if it will cause any damage to the rifle. I know the things like to be well I
Edit: just found this interesting write up on m1 garand m2 ball ammo vs commercial rounds. https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=280639&page=2
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So the CMP (who is the authority on surplus M1 Garands) has this to say:Wondering if I can get some advice on “safe ammo” for these things. Is BARNAUL 30-06 SPRINGFIELD 145GR FMJ ok to shot in the m1 Garand ?
Was considering buying some of these Prvi PPU M1 Garand 30-06 Springfield 150 Grain Fmj
I have some but will buy different ammo if it will cause any damage to the rifle. I know the things like to be well I
Edit: just found this interesting write up on m1 garand m2 ball ammo vs commercial rounds. https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=280639&page=2
Keep in mind that CUP is an old way of measuring chamber pressure. It can not be exactly correlated to chamber pressure measured in PSI because of the different methods used to measure. However, it is approximately 60,000PSI, which happens to be the SAMMI spec for 30-06sprg (no this is not a coincidence).
The CMP statement could be read one of two ways. 'If you have more than 50,000CUP, insure your bullet wait is lower than 172gr.' This would be the grammatically correct interpretation, but we all know that sometimes people word things wrong, so maybe they meant 'Insure you limit both pressure to 50,000CUP and bullet weight to 172gr.'
The first interpretation just means that all commercial ammo is fine, but if you have some hot handloads or whatever, limit bullet weight. The second interpretation just indicates to not use 180gr commercial ammo.
If you consider the proposed failure modes people discuss related to 'hot' 30-06 ammo, that being a broken or bent op-rod, the debate becomes kind of silly. Because of the location of the gas port and the volume of the gas cylinder, the high pressure is just not there for long enough to create significant difference with these small differences in ballistic characteristics.
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Just picked up a Springfield M1D .It was converted by the Italians to 7.62 Nato.It has an original M1D barrel shortened ,still see some of the original lot # on the barrel.FTR then put away without a scope.So now Im looking for an Italian mount.They have the little # plates on them.Also looking for an original M84.I have a repro now that Ill try once I get a mount.I also picked up an original M82 M1C scope that ill be trading for an M84 if anyone has a spare.The Garand has some Breda parts on it Rear sight, front sight ,gas sleeve ,stock and clip release.Anyone know if the rear sight is for 7.62?I wonder if an M14 rear would be better?Came with a really cool transit case.
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No Advantage of a M14 sight
Depending on where sight was made either Yards or Meters and there are many different manufactures of the rear sight made over the years
and if shooting at 100 yds or 100 meters not much of a difference .... 200 yds = 182 meters
Depending on where sight was made either Yards or Meters and there are many different manufactures of the rear sight made over the years
and if shooting at 100 yds or 100 meters not much of a difference .... 200 yds = 182 meters
Hi! I was wondering how feasible it is to convert a .30-06 Garand into a .308, and if there are gunsmiths or kits in Canada that can be used to make that happens.
Sadly, cheap .30-06 ammo is becoming pretty much unobtainium, and you're left with overly expensive hunter ammo that isn't appropriate for use in the M1 Garand. So i'm considering switching to .308 which is substantially more common and cheaper. Trading off the rifle is no-go, since it's the very first rifle i bought and i want to keep it.
Sadly, cheap .30-06 ammo is becoming pretty much unobtainium, and you're left with overly expensive hunter ammo that isn't appropriate for use in the M1 Garand. So i'm considering switching to .308 which is substantially more common and cheaper. Trading off the rifle is no-go, since it's the very first rifle i bought and i want to keep it.
Easy to convert .. Sell it and buy a 308 garand.
. Others will chime in but its not a easy or inexpensive process.
$430~ Get you a new .308 Barrel and then $200 or so at the gunsmith to have it swapped. ive done a lot of these.
Reload? 30-06 brass is so close to free and even during these dire times 30 cal projectiles are plentiful. Granted, you'd already have to have started reloading years ago if you had any hope of finding primers and powders
