The Magnum Ego'$
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Whether you like it or not,it is a true statement.Spend 50 days or so per year at the range like I do and you will see for yourself.Of course it would be pretty dumb to assume that I am saying that all people shooting the 30-30,.303british,270win and 30-06 are all poor shots and don't practice.Of course I am not assuming that you shoot one of those cartridges yourself.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I shoot at the same range as Stubblejumper, in fact i am the centerfire range chairman and president of the club.stubblejumper said:Whether you like it or not,it is a true statement.Spend 50 days or so per year at the range like I do and you will see for yourself.Of course it would be pretty dumb to assume that I am saying that all people shooting the 30-30,.303british,270win and 30-06 are all poor shots and don't practice.Of course I am not assuming that you shoot one of those cartridges yourself.
I am out there every weekend at least once , sometimes three days, for at least 4 hours.
What he says is true in our neck of the woods, and we get a large number of shooters and their guests through our facility in a year.
However, yes, I also see the fellas that come out with new magnums and have scopes fly off, cuts in their eyes, a full box of ammo through the rifle and not knowing where it is zeroed, and all the rest of the stuff.
By far the majority however, are thhe fellas with the rifles that he stated .
I have heard all the stories at work also , but rarely do i see those fellas at the range during our open houses, or at our competitions because in their words "I only shoot at something with hooves" or I only shoot something with antlers on it"
This is usually followed by the fabled " I shot a buck at 400 yards last year with one shot" or the " I shoot moose all the time at 500 yards"!
They talk to us like we HAVE to practice to be as good as they, who obviously don't.
Cat
Change hooves to feathers and you'll find that same attitude on the clay target ranges in the run up to the waterfowl opener.catnthehatt said:
There are times when the sight of a guy with a Benelli dressed in camo signing up for a non-member round of skeet is enough for me to call it a night.
Yes we know you are hell on ducks and geese but you went 5/25 and those were mostly chipped.
Yes we know you don't wear glasses when hunting but you sure as #### have to wear them here.
Yes we know you hunt with 3" #2 but you actually can't use them here. Did you not read the rules? Did you not think we'd find out when everyone else's guns go bang and yours go BA-BOOM? Oh and the trail of 3" hulls is a dead giveaway.
Yes we know your gun holds 3 shells but the rule here is two and we don't like shooters to walk around with their guns loaded when they change stations.
Yes we know hunting live animals is different. Most of us hunt too and do pretty well at it. Some of us do pretty well at it mostly because we shoot a lot.
Sasquatch said:
Ditto on this Sasquatch. I remember many moons ago when I went for the shooting portion of a hunter safety test. One guy had a brand new rifle, brand new scope, etc. We had to put three into the vitals of a cardboard moose at something like 50 yds and this guy (mighty hunter from the class portion as I recall) consistently blew up clouds of dust from a spot next to the target three shots in a row. The funny part was when the Wildlife Officer talked to him later, the conversation went like this:
Officer: "When was the last time you sighted in your rifle?"
"Mighty Hunter" (with puzzled look): "Sight in?"
They're out there.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Claybuster said:Change hooves to feathers and you'll find that same attitude on the clay target ranges in the run up to the waterfowl opener.
There are times when the sight of a guy with a Benelli dressed in camo signing up for a non-member round of skeet is enough for me to call it a night.
Yes we know you are hell on ducks and geese but you went 5/25 and those were mostly chipped.
Yes we know you don't wear glasses when hunting but you sure as #### have to wear them here.
Yes we know you hunt with 3" #2 but you actually can't use them here. Did you not read the rules? Did you not think we'd find out when everyone else's guns go bang and yours go BA-BOOM? Oh and the trail of 3" hulls is a dead giveaway.
Yes we know your gun holds 3 shells but the rule here is two and we don't like shooters to walk around with their guns loaded when they change stations.
Yes we know hunting live animals is different. Most of us hunt too and do pretty well at it. Some of us do pretty well at it mostly because we shoot a lot.
And yes, we shoot them WHEN THEY ARE FLYING!!
Cat
Our area suffers from both types.
I spend allot of time at the range during the year...several ranges in fact.
My fav' is the guys that look at my .303 sportster, and say things like:
"you need to upgrade to a magnum"
"nobody gets deer with those"
"forget getting Moose with that beater"
"that cartridge is obsolete"
Yah ok buddy...
Then they proceed to play the 'shoot and click' game with there scope at several bucks a shot (factory loads)...one after another at the 100 yard mark on a paper target that was left behind by the last guy, and is full of holes anyway.
Same guy BTW then jammed mud up there barrel by putting their rifle muzzle-down next to the rack, and then proceed to use there truck antenna (still attached to the truck) to clear out the barrel.
I left and went to another Range after seeing that, I didn't want to be around to see anymore.
I spend allot of time at the range during the year...several ranges in fact.
My fav' is the guys that look at my .303 sportster, and say things like:
"you need to upgrade to a magnum"
"nobody gets deer with those"
"forget getting Moose with that beater"
"that cartridge is obsolete"
Yah ok buddy...
Then they proceed to play the 'shoot and click' game with there scope at several bucks a shot (factory loads)...one after another at the 100 yard mark on a paper target that was left behind by the last guy, and is full of holes anyway.
Same guy BTW then jammed mud up there barrel by putting their rifle muzzle-down next to the rack, and then proceed to use there truck antenna (still attached to the truck) to clear out the barrel.
I left and went to another Range after seeing that, I didn't want to be around to see anymore.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Calum said:Our area suffers from both types.
I spend allot of time at the range during the year...several ranges in fact.
My fav' is the guys that look at my .303 sportster, and say things like:
"you need to upgrade to a magnum"
"nobody gets deer with those"
"forget getting Moose with that beater"
"that cartridge is obsolete"
Yah ok buddy...
Then they proceed to play the 'shoot and click' game with there scope at several bucks a shot (factory loads)...one after another at the 100 yard mark on a paper target that was left behind by the last guy, and is full of holes anyway.
Same guy BTW then jammed mud up there barrel by putting their rifle muzzle-down next to the rack, and then proceed to use there truck antenna (still attached to the truck) to clear out the barrel.
I left and went to another Range after seeing that, I didn't want to be around to see anymore.
The one I like best are the guys that look at my falling block or my Snider and say "Why do you hunt with that? you need a gun with a "clip"!
This is after watching the chicken at 200 meters get the crap beat out of it with my rifle after they missed it!
Cat
stubblejumper said:
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The worst and most irresponsible marksmen I've personally seen were all packing ye olde .30-30's, and 'legacy' rifles in .30-06, .300 Savage, and .270.
This whole 'magnum shooters are bad guys' straw man is yet another Tedious Gun Topic, #143 in a series. Jack O'Connor covered it pretty well, and lately Chuck 'Little Jack' Hawks has picked it up and run with it, and you'll hear it around the gun counter a fair bit.
Ultimately it annoys me not because it's bull####, but because it's boring and predictable AND bull####;-)
Well well well.
Reading this thread, i wonder if there has ever been a group in history as fast and thourough at slagging themselves off as we are.
Geez guys. Anybody can point at someone else and say how terrible they are.
You guys who don't like hunters at the range... you should hear the stories about guys who think they're 'good shots' because they can punch paper and their 'exploits' in the feild.
So - you figure maybe i should bad mouth range shooters for a while now?
Maybe a lot of people here would do well to start looking at the GOOD points of various different shooters. If we spent even a tiny fraction of the energy we seem to spend driving each other apart in trying to come together as a group, maybe the anti's wouldn't constantly kick our butts.
Buy a gun. learn to hunt. Make sure the gun is suitable to what you're hunting. go hunting.
And if others are cheezing you off to the point where you really can't take it, then take the time to educate them a little and help them learn the rules and the ropes. And smile, knowing you gave something to the community rather than taking from it by slagging and badmouthing them on a forum.
If the animals are falling over and being recovered, and are being hunted within the laws of the land... who the frack cares what kind of gun they use. It's fun to talk about it - but there's a fine line between talking and slagging.
Reading this thread, i wonder if there has ever been a group in history as fast and thourough at slagging themselves off as we are.
Geez guys. Anybody can point at someone else and say how terrible they are.
You guys who don't like hunters at the range... you should hear the stories about guys who think they're 'good shots' because they can punch paper and their 'exploits' in the feild.
So - you figure maybe i should bad mouth range shooters for a while now?
Maybe a lot of people here would do well to start looking at the GOOD points of various different shooters. If we spent even a tiny fraction of the energy we seem to spend driving each other apart in trying to come together as a group, maybe the anti's wouldn't constantly kick our butts.
Buy a gun. learn to hunt. Make sure the gun is suitable to what you're hunting. go hunting.
And if others are cheezing you off to the point where you really can't take it, then take the time to educate them a little and help them learn the rules and the ropes. And smile, knowing you gave something to the community rather than taking from it by slagging and badmouthing them on a forum.
If the animals are falling over and being recovered, and are being hunted within the laws of the land... who the frack cares what kind of gun they use. It's fun to talk about it - but there's a fine line between talking and slagging.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
The people I'm talking about are also "slob" hunters who shoot at anything, don't track animals they've hit , and don't worry about where their bullet goes after they shoot it.
I spend countless hours helping those that ask for it, but I am also told I waste too much ammo at the range, shooting targets proves nothing, and
"anybody can hit bulls eyes with one of those"
These are th people i'm talking about, and every sport has them.
I give no appologies for what I said earlier....
Cat
I spend countless hours helping those that ask for it, but I am also told I waste too much ammo at the range, shooting targets proves nothing, and
"anybody can hit bulls eyes with one of those"
These are th people i'm talking about, and every sport has them.
I give no appologies for what I said earlier....
Cat
Claybuster said:
I got a few friends like that, its funny because in the blind they are about 5/25 also. But hey, thats damn near a limit....
I guess the 20% hit rate really stings when you dont have dinner to show for it.
A proposal to the Mods - censor any post and censure the poster who desn't follow this rule:
"If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, say nothing at all".
That includes those who would criticize anyone who by action or word would appear to be playing to the dreaded "Antis".
Our board and our community would be much better off - right?
"If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, say nothing at all".
That includes those who would criticize anyone who by action or word would appear to be playing to the dreaded "Antis".
Our board and our community would be much better off - right?
Sasquatch said:
I agree with the statement, except for the 'most' part. I can't say what percentage are like that, but there are at least some. We've all run into them; they are PROUD that they only fire one bullet per year. But don't be so quick to judge. If these guys grew up in the depression, they learned the hard way that you DO only have one bullet to make your kill. Or maybe they grew up poor; same story, they didn't have a lot of money for ammo when they were young. Everybody has a story. And as you know, there is far more to hunting that just the shot.
Sure, some guys are blowhards who can't hit a bulls-eye at 100yds. Maybe they just hit the paper, and that's a big enough bulls-eye on a moose 50 yds away. Some guys are shooters. Some guys are hunters. We all use firearms. Don't go bad-mouthing our brothers, whichever side of the fence you're on. It lacks class. As someone else said, "If you can't say anything nice . . . " Well, forget that rule with Liberals, but adhere to it for fellow gun owners.
Remember, somewhere there are hunters laughing at those bench-rest weenies surrounded by a big pile of hot brass with nothing to show for it but a bunch of torn paper and an empty wallet.
If a guy is having trouble at the range, go over and say 'Hi, howya doin, haven't seen you here, I'm Ralph.' Remember, you MUST let a guy ASK for help - OFFERING help is an INSULT. Chat with him, ask about his gun, and you'll lead him to asking for help.
If a bunch of good-ol boys are harassing you, invite them over to shoot (i.e. put your money where your mouth is) in a friendly way. NOBODY will ever refuse, especially in front of their buddies. Hardly anybody out there tries to actually be mean and ignorant, it's all in the poor communication skills guys have. Relax, be friendly, don't let it ruin your day.
