The Magnum Ego'$
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Gatehouse said:
It was supposed to sound ridiculous! I thought I had added a
, but it seems that I did not.The sarcasm was aimed at those on their high horses who would suggest that we should do what they do, and embrace those "lost brothers of the gun" and guide them back into the fold. Hooey! Gunnutz come in all forms including the ignorant and the a$$hole, the latter two who are usually (by nature) not open to instruction - gentle or otherwise.
Let us have our fun and complain - it's a part of interacting on the forum. Who knows, maybe one of those who need it most will read what is said, reflect on it and change - but in all likelihood they won't.
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- Central Sask
well now that i read all of this im gonna change my ways. Im gonna sell all of my magnums and dig my old 250 savage out of the back of the safe.
Then this hunting season im gonna strap my shooting bench on my back and carry it with me, its probly only 100 pounds. That way when i see a deer or a bear or whatever im hunting, i can set up my bench and bags and itll be just like im on the range. it'll be great.
Then this hunting season im gonna strap my shooting bench on my back and carry it with me, its probly only 100 pounds. That way when i see a deer or a bear or whatever im hunting, i can set up my bench and bags and itll be just like im on the range. it'll be great.
We're all on the same team here. It's a pretty sad day when gun owners are after other gun owners on what calibre they're shooting and how much powder is in the case.
Can't we all just get along? Can't all gun owners live in a beautiful utopia of shooting and hunting freely with whatever calibre (or action, as seen in the semi-auto hunting thread) they choose? We can acheive such harmony my friends, if we all work together!
Except for those damn hand-gunners, they're out. (Jokes)
Can't we all just get along? Can't all gun owners live in a beautiful utopia of shooting and hunting freely with whatever calibre (or action, as seen in the semi-auto hunting thread) they choose? We can acheive such harmony my friends, if we all work together!
Except for those damn hand-gunners, they're out.
(Jokes)troutseeker
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"The male ego is a powerful thing." Sounds like the writer was a victim of it... Fired people? Banned clients? I call bull####, it was a troll on huntingbc.ca that started that thread. Too bad the site admin loooovvvveeed it and made it a sticky instead of a stinky...
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It isn't about stereotyping among shooters nor is it about one group not wanting to rub shoulders with the other.Foxer said:
It's about attitude.
It's the guy with a magnum rifle and thinks he's the biggest baddest mo-fo in the field and can take a 500 yard shot without knowing better.
Or the "hunter" who archly condemns anyone using a round more powerful than a .223 for deer. His perception of the supremacy of his own talents is such that he regards anything else as overkill.
Or the duck hunter who strides into a clay target range thinking the rules don't apply to him and that using a shotgun not to kill things is a touch silly.
Or the upland hunter who uses a .410 on flying pheasants because he is so convinced of his own superiority with a shotgun and his preeminent place on earth that anyone else using a larger gauge is a lesser human being.
These people are simply dickheads and deserve a thorough public slagging.
- Location
- Central Sask
So claybuster.......what your trying to tell me is i am a bad hunter because i shoot magnum calibres. Hmmmmmm, interesting. i guess i had better quit hunting seeing as your so smart
Back to sksavenger............. if anything you just proved claybuster's hypothesis that there are some idiots in the hunting and shooting crowd.
Read slowly now, one syllable at a time, mouth the words out loud if you need to.......and SURPRISE! You will find out that claybuster did not state that all magnum rifle shooters are morons. But some of them are. Which side of the moron/not a moron fence are you on? HINT: if you need to look up any of these words in the dictionary, chances are that the gene pool in your neighbourhood is not too deep, and might need a lifeguard......
Lucky for you, oxygen theft is not yet a crime.
Doug
Read slowly now, one syllable at a time, mouth the words out loud if you need to.......and SURPRISE! You will find out that claybuster did not state that all magnum rifle shooters are morons. But some of them are. Which side of the moron/not a moron fence are you on? HINT: if you need to look up any of these words in the dictionary, chances are that the gene pool in your neighbourhood is not too deep, and might need a lifeguard......
Lucky for you, oxygen theft is not yet a crime.
Doug
sksavenger said:
No I'm not trying to tell you that. Read exactly what I said.
Nothing against magnums or the people who own them unless they are the type who think owning a magnum allows them to shoot beyond their own abilities or take irresponsible shots.Claybuster said:
Only you know if that shoe fits.
Is it slagging a stereotype or just being honest? Like many people here, I am a competitive target shooter. I have shot Service Rifle, Service Sniper, IPSC, 3 Gun, Action pistol and cowboy Action. I quit hunting 20 years ago when as a young soldier my career manager sentenced me to 48 months in Saskatchewan. I refused to go in the bush until I had practised with a minimum of 200 rds down range within 2 months before the start of the season. Maybe I was being anal? I consider myself dilligent. By then end of that 4 years I had my fill of bad hunters that were guilty of a multitude of sins from not only safety concerns but demonstrated a general lack of ethics. I quit hunting.
I spend at least 40 to 50 days a year on a range, perfecting my marksmanship ability for competition, yet some numpty who drags his rifle out of the closet 2 days before hunting season can't understand why people "burp" him for pointing a rifle (occasionally loaded) in the general direction of 1 or more people down range. I bought myself a nice Shilo Sharps in .45-70 as my christmas present last year. During the month of November and December I spent 5 full weekends on the ranges developing new loads. During that 5 weeks, I looked down the barrel of at least 8 rifles.
Many of these people have no concept of safe handling of a firearm, what ever they learned has been forgotten long ago. I remember years ago, being asked to join a hunting party years ago in Ontario. When I asked what kit to bring I was told "at least 5 flats of beer"! I passed on the trip.
As a competitive shooter if I show unsafe firearms handling ability at a match, I will be asked to leave by people that worry about their personal safety. Yet many hunters that demonstrate the same lack of ability buy hunting licenses every year. Those of us that complain are generally those of us who handle firearms safely. And yes I do know people who purchased a "magnum" to make up for poor marksmanship.
I spend at least 40 to 50 days a year on a range, perfecting my marksmanship ability for competition, yet some numpty who drags his rifle out of the closet 2 days before hunting season can't understand why people "burp" him for pointing a rifle (occasionally loaded) in the general direction of 1 or more people down range. I bought myself a nice Shilo Sharps in .45-70 as my christmas present last year. During the month of November and December I spent 5 full weekends on the ranges developing new loads. During that 5 weeks, I looked down the barrel of at least 8 rifles.
Many of these people have no concept of safe handling of a firearm, what ever they learned has been forgotten long ago. I remember years ago, being asked to join a hunting party years ago in Ontario. When I asked what kit to bring I was told "at least 5 flats of beer"! I passed on the trip.
As a competitive shooter if I show unsafe firearms handling ability at a match, I will be asked to leave by people that worry about their personal safety. Yet many hunters that demonstrate the same lack of ability buy hunting licenses every year. Those of us that complain are generally those of us who handle firearms safely. And yes I do know people who purchased a "magnum" to make up for poor marksmanship.
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I've always believed that you should shoot the strongest caliber that you can handle......recoil wise. If you can handle the recoil of a 375 H&H and you shoot it well then use it. More energy down range hopefully translates to less wounded animals out there.
On the other point of hunters with lack of practice, in 12 years of retail gun sales I can't remember how many times guys would show up the week of Deer Hunting, buy a new gun and a box of ammo and off they go....insisting that the guns are test fired and sighted in at the factory.
I am a hunter and proud of it and I will always offer a hand at the range when I see someone who needs it.
On the other point of hunters with lack of practice, in 12 years of retail gun sales I can't remember how many times guys would show up the week of Deer Hunting, buy a new gun and a box of ammo and off they go....insisting that the guns are test fired and sighted in at the factory.
I am a hunter and proud of it and I will always offer a hand at the range when I see someone who needs it.
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- Central Sask
Hey if it wasnt for people like you and dougie thinking your more ethical hunters than guys that use magnums, this discusion wouldnt be on page 6 already. Its you guys that obviously think you are right and are far better hunters than others you dont even know. Pull your head out of your ass and have a look around.
Dear sksavenger:
You are probably a 16 year old kid with an over-active imagination and a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. But just in case you are real, and actually have real guns, let me repeat everything I already said. read it again, pin-head.
By the way, I shot a moose with a .338 Win mag. HINT: that is a magnum rifle. I shot a mule deer in 2005 with a .300 H&H Mag. HINT: that is a magnum rifle. I have owned dozens of magnum rifles and do/will hunt with them. I am guessing that I have shot more rounds of ammo out of magnum rifles than most people on this forum have shot with center-fire rifles in their lives, period.
I LOVE magnum rifles. I HUNT WITH magnum rifles. I spit on people that cannot read and have difficulty forming complex thoughts.
Doug
You are probably a 16 year old kid with an over-active imagination and a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. But just in case you are real, and actually have real guns, let me repeat everything I already said. read it again, pin-head.
By the way, I shot a moose with a .338 Win mag. HINT: that is a magnum rifle. I shot a mule deer in 2005 with a .300 H&H Mag. HINT: that is a magnum rifle. I have owned dozens of magnum rifles and do/will hunt with them. I am guessing that I have shot more rounds of ammo out of magnum rifles than most people on this forum have shot with center-fire rifles in their lives, period.
I LOVE magnum rifles. I HUNT WITH magnum rifles. I spit on people that cannot read and have difficulty forming complex thoughts.
Doug
Well we're not about to censor anyone, and lets face it... there's plenty of room for HONEST critisizm of lots of things in our community.
However - there's a thin line between critical discourse, or even the occasional bit of 'venting', and just general bad-mouthing.
I hear what you're saying, clay, and i know you have a point. Lets face it, there's some twinkies out there and that's going to be the case in any group.
But i look at the words often used in this thread, and others. "lots". "most". "can't tell you how many times..." etc.
And garand -
I totally agree that what the guy did was unacceptable, but if i read between the lines of the account - the guy made a simple forgetful error that isn't acceptable, but is easy to make (check gun is unloaded, put it down.. oops, forgot there's other people about).
I don't mean to make light of it at all, the guy deserved a talking to, but perhaps all things considered it was an understandable mistake. Rather than a sign of someone acting with utter disregard and contempt of the rules i mean.
I wish we'd look at this kind of thing and look at positive solutions along with the problems. Maybe your range needs to have a quick saftey orientation for 'open days' when hunters sight in - they need to attend a 5 minute saftey refresher before using the range. Probably do a LOT of people good to get a little reminder. I'm sure lots of volunteers could be scrounged up
lets face it - there IS a problem with newbies thinking they need the biggest, baddest noisemaker on the block and going out there without the skill to make use of a monster cannon while they shoot at deer or other medium game.
I guess i've too often seen these threads turn us against one another, where magnum shooters feel slighted, range shooters feel insulted, 'shoot-for-hunting' shooters feel targeted, etc.
Yeah - some guys don't give a flying fig about guns, they just need 'em to hunt. And they're not going to be as aware as a guy who lives and breathes guns. I just don't know how constructive it is to portray that constantly as almost being the 'norm', and with no solutions or discussions in sight about how to deal with it.
Neither Doug or I said anything of the kind.sksavenger said:
Hunting ethics have almost nothing to do with the type of cartridge but how and on what it is used.
Why are you so defensive about this? I'm willing to accept that you own a magnum and are the very model of ethical hunting based on your word alone. You're the one drawing attention to yourself and risk causing people think otherwise.
