The Making of the Military’s Standard Arms

A whole lot of fail in those comments,and some of these posts for that matter. The troops can't choose what they are issued,nor the caliber,you use what you have to the best of it's limitations, clearly some folks are living in a fantasy world.

Agreed, and the the problem in this circumstance was not the M-16 or M-4 or its issued M855 ammo but rather poor military planning which cost good american lives - end of story. Can they lean from this - yes, they did, by building their outposts on proper ground they could have prevented this tragedy.
 
clearly someone hasnt been in the service, the military has to take a long look at what is happening in the world now. fighting is much closer so 5.56 has outgrown its usefulness. they need a round that hits and punchs not hits and goes through cleanly

Hmmm. Ever do a forced march with winter battle gear? I came in my pants the first time i jumped out of c-130 with a c7. A 5.56 rd in the hands of a seasoned shooter with get the same results as anything else. We aren't hunting moose over there.
 
you my friend need to stay in your lane;) you read to much swat/SOF

No Actually being in the service before and having alot of friends abroad, I hear from every about how we need a rifle with a little more punch. One that cause more hydrostatic shock as well. thats why a round like the .450 would be an improvement
 
So having supposedly served in the CF qualifies you to determine who has previous military experience? So tell me, based on my statements regarding dangertree’s post, have I ever served in the Military? Waiting...

Supposedly nothing, I served my country proudly. Anyone who has fired a round in a fight instead of a piece of paper would know that 5.56 is a great round at greater distances but I would take something slower with more punch anyday at the distances we are fighting at now. How do I know that. experience and the experience of my friends who are over there now.
 
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I have alot of friends in the know now and overthere now...556 kills, is it the best..no but not the worst
 
Heat raises heck with mechanical "things". eg. Too much heat in an engine, not good.
The DI system sends heat back into the working parts, "engine" of the weapon.
The DI system works pretty well and is a good weapon unless the heat is a bit too much at times.

Weapons have now progressed to the point that there are better systems out there. This is not saying that the DI system is bad, just that there are better systems out there. How much better is a whole new argument.

In some extreame cases, such as some high volume firefights over a short period of time, these problems surface a bit more and more quickly than with some other (piston driven) systems.

Rather than always defending the M4 / M16 DI system, why not recoginze that it's a great system, only that evolution has brought us more modern, better designs.

Rich
 
Supposedly nothing, I served my country proudly. Anyone who has fired a round in a fight instead of a piece of paper would know that 5.56 is a great round at greater distances but I would take something slower with more punch anyday at the distances we are fighting at now. How do I know that. experience and the experience of my friends who are over there now.

Not the question... how is it you have determined that Reaper has not served in the military?
 
Heat raises heck with mechanical "things". eg. Too much heat in an engine, not good.
The DI system sends heat back into the working parts, "engine" of the weapon.
The DI system works pretty well and is a good weapon unless the heat is a bit too much at times.

Weapons have now progressed to the point that there are better systems out there. This is not saying that the DI system is bad, just that there are better systems out there. How much better is a whole new argument.

In some extreame cases, such as some high volume firefights over a short period of time, these problems surface a bit more and more quickly than with some other (piston driven) systems.

Rather than always defending the M4 / M16 DI system, why not recoginze that it's a great system, only that evolution has brought us more modern, better designs.

Rich
Though short-stroke piston is an older design than direct impingement. The only thing that really ever evolved beyond either of those two was caseless ammunition and that idea flew like a lead zeppelin.
 
why the hell do you care??? Is reaper your girlfriend??? He hasn't made a comment about what I said but you seem to have your panties in a bunch.:kickInTheNuts:

Typical answer I expected from a mall ninja.

What are good calibers for SHTF situations. By that I mean availability and versatility.

Happy new years to all.

especially to all teh guys on here who have helped me with my firearms journey this year as far as licensing and purshaes are concerned. You all made getting into this lifestyle very easy. I'll have a beer for all of you.

CHEERS:dancingbanana:

I think you should run along and play in your ninja outfit sonny because anyone who has just received his firearms license and is asking questions only a newbie would ask obviously has little experience in the military or in theatre killing enemy for that matter, unless of course it is in front of the television watching reruns of Rambo with your toy guns.
 
ouffff. get pnwed on ze interwebz.

Anyhow, since we're already there whats a barrel shroud and where can I shroud my barrel???

EDIT: I just finished digging up trenches around my house, can I have an assault rifle? for like trenching????
 
No one caught this comment???

Best comment ever...
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...standard-arms/

MARK KLEIN, M.D.
OAKLAND, CA
January 8th, 2010
12:32 pm

NATO 7.62 ball ammunition is too a small caliber for this kind of fight. The .45 caliber pistol was developed for the army for Muslim Moro Insurrection in the Philippines. Charging fanatics couldn't be stopped by smaller caliber ammunition.

With M16 and M1 the army could improve results with the 7.62 by using hollow point rather than ball ammunition
:eek::eek::eek: I agree that hollow point bullets are more effective, but I thought expanding bullets were banned under the Hague Convention? They don't need to go there after all the brew ha with the torturing of prisoners!
 
Nice work handling the mall ninja, that was uber pwnage. Sad to see he hasn't replied to that with his arsenal of snappy ninja comebacks.

I was surprised to learn that Colt doesn't manufacture a lot of the parts. Does anyone know of a documentary where we are shown every step of M4 production?
 
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