The Maritimes' disappearing deer

[SEP7EMBER10]

That one guys sounds like he's on Irvings payroll hahaha.
I know quite a few places here in NB that are wiped off the earth, Clear cutted and left for dead.

 

[dand883]

I thought hardwoods were more valuable than spruce.

Only to people who don't run all the pulp and paper mills in the province

 

[Grizzly Adams]

That one guys sounds like he's on Irvings payroll hahaha.
I know quite a few places here in NB that are wiped off the earth, Clear cutted and left for dead.

I've hunted and done trail riding around cut blocks for the last 20 + years plus, not by choice, Looks like hell for the first few years, but essentially does the job a forest fire would do if Ma Nature had her way, probably way less destructive in the long run. A lot of science and government oversight goes into logging these days. Might not like it, but as long as we need lumber and toilet paper, unavoidable.

Grizz

 

[TXS]

1. The province of New Brunswick pays for this herbicide spraying program, because they are the land owner not Irving, look into it. 2. The Jack Pine & Black Spruce replanting is the exclusive tree planted on those tracks in SE NB.

1. No, the province does not pay for the herbicide program, that's a fact. What they do allow is for private companies (not just Irving) to spray areas that are leased to control the growth. The only spraying he province has done in recent years is to suppress the budworm from breaking out again, also a fact.

2. Most of the land in SE NB is crown land, that is leased to companies for the purpose of producing forestry products, therefore, it is maintained as such. Sometimes this involves herbicide spraying, sometimes it does not. This is dependant on a number of factors.


What everyone from NB needs to understand is that herbicide spraying is a nessicity, not some evil, destroy the environment kill all wildlife venture. It's used as a measure of control. It suppresses more aggressive species from overtaking the profit species. This is done not only in forestry, but it's done in every potato, wheat, canola and pea producing field in the province. It helps to produce higher yields of the desired product, and in this topic, softwood. Yes, some sacrifices are made in terms of natural habitats, but they are not eliminated, just managed. Most people don't see this though, all they see is the 50 acres close to home that they use to be able to hunt is no longer plentiful, and they are to damn lazy to go out and look for a new spot, and would rather complain about how hard life is for them, and how bad they think it is for the environment. Eliminating the use of it would all but destroy the forestry industry in the province, as it is barely surviving as it is with strong competition from stateside. While I'm sure a few would like to see this, there are hundreds of jobs that would be affected, something everyone knows NB doesn't need. If you still don't like it, join the Green Party, they seem to be prospering ��

What would an Albertan know about what goes on in NB? I am from there, born and raised in the heart of the forestry and agricultural sector (northwestern). I was on the payroll at one time, but now have ventured to different pastures. I have learned the facts from working within, and have seen both sides of the story. Armed with this information, I make rationalized decisions based on fact, not fear mongering anti industry speculation.

 

[TXS]

I've hunted and done trail riding around cut blocks for the last 20 + years plus, not by choice, Looks like hell for the first few years, but essentially does the job a forest fire would do if Ma Nature had her way, probably way less destructive in the long run. A lot of science and government oversight goes into logging these days. Might not like it, but as long as we need lumber and toilet paper, unavoidable.

Grizz

Indeed. It's also an industry that does not have a great track record in the past, but a lot has been changing in the past 20 years to make sustainable improvements. Unfortunately some previous companies (Fraser papers come to mind) were given large tracks of land to lease, used, destroyed, and we're not held accountable for their actions by government before receivership. The scars of this can still be seen today.

 

[TXS]

Deer have been dropping off in our area Renous Plaster Rock where we hunt for the last 10 Years,everybody has a theory mine is the Winters you have 1 bad winter they might recover 2 or 3 in a row odds are not good, around the House this year seen Moose,no Doe's or Fawns that is not a good sign.Just my view.

I blame a number of factors. Winters haven't helped, poor feeding areas due to some mismanagement sites, but mostly I blame over hunting. You can go up any road on the renous or near PR and you'll find a half ton full of redneck Frenchmen armed to the teeth driving around looking to shoot anything that moves. Spent the majority of my youth hunting in the Odell, and every year it got worse; more trucks, more hunters, more poachers, until we gave up and moved out of the area that was family hunted for 40 years. Lot of variables, but the over pressure I believe is the key factor. A good example of this is moose season. How many people drive around and put signs up on crown land to try and stake their place, only to get into quarrels with someone else looking to do the same thing, ripping each other's signs, blinds and cameras down.

 

[Maritime Storm]

TXS, Don't want to say you are full of it, but DNR released the figures on what they spent last year(2014) to spray herbicides on Crown Land leased to Irving through a freedom of information request to CBC NB News, it was not a tiny figure. This was about 3 weeks ago, it is still news and is a political topic in current election.

 

[MiG25]

TXS, Don't want to say you are full of it, but DNR released the figures on what they spent last year(2014) to spray herbicides on Crown Land leased to Irving through a freedom of information request to CBC NB News, it was not a tiny figure. This was about 3 weeks ago, it is still news and is a political topic in current election.

Is there a provincial election going on in NB?

 

[dand883]

Is there a provincial election going on in NB?

No, but the next one will be quick, within 6 weeks of the current premier getting into office just about the whole province is ready to toss him.

 

[TXS]

TXS, Don't want to say you are full of it, but DNR released the figures on what they spent last year(2014) to spray herbicides on Crown Land leased to Irving through a freedom of information request to CBC NB News, it was not a tiny figure. This was about 3 weeks ago, it is still news and is a political topic in current election.

cant say I saw it, but I don't put a whole lot of faith in news reported by the Cbc. When I was there, it was Irving aircraft with Irving paid product spraying any land leased to them. Provincial owned aircraft stay on fire protection until it threats are low, and then they do some limited insecticide spraying. I'm quite certain nothing much has changed. Funny how everyone goes out looking for the red herring to hang on a post, but no one much cares how much money the provinces receives in return for stumpage fees, taxes, keeping people employed in the province, etc, etc. But this is an anti thread, let's just focus on the negatives.

 

[dand883]

cant say I saw it, but I don't put a whole lot of faith in news reported by the Cbc. When I was there, it was Irving aircraft with Irving paid product spraying any land leased to them. Provincial owned aircraft stay on fire protection until it threats are low, and then they do some limited insecticide spraying. I'm quite certain nothing much has changed. Funny how everyone goes out looking for the red herring to hang on a post, but no one much cares how much money the provinces receives in return for stumpage fees, taxes, keeping people employed in the province, etc, etc. But this is an anti thread, let's just focus on the negatives.

A whole lot more people were employed when they had a silvaculture program to go in and thin out the non commercial species instead of just one guy in a plane who drops a bunch of chemicals from a plane.

 

[TXS]

A whole lot more people were employed when they had a silvaculture program to go in and thin out the non commercial species instead of just one guy in a plane who drops a bunch of chemicals from a plane.

And who paid for all those people to do all that work? Taxpayers, like me. it was a make work project that failed miserably. While good in theory, it failed in practicality, this was confirmed by the AG. This is where capitalism shines; where private enterprise can do the same job, more efficiently, for less money, and still turn a profit.

If your against spraying chemicals, how about all the potato fields keeping cavendish and mccains going? Should we park all the land based sprayers and have the government pay people to go and pull weeds, apply fertilizers, and walk around with bug zappers?

I love NB, but the attitude of people there sucks. Everyone wants to get paid to stay home. No one goes to work, no one gets hurt. Save the environment at all costs, but everyone still wants a job in the resource sector. Everyone complains, no one does anything about it.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

And who paid for all those people to do all that work? Taxpayers, like me. it was a make work project that failed miserably. While good in theory, it failed in practicality, this was confirmed by the AG. This is where capitalism shines; where private enterprise can do the same job, more efficiently, for less money, and still turn a profit.

If your against spraying chemicals, how about all the potato fields keeping cavendish and mccains going? Should we park all the land based sprayers and have the government pay people to go and pull weeds, apply fertilizers, and walk around with bug zappers?

I love NB, but the attitude of people there sucks. Everyone wants to get paid to stay home. No one goes to work, no one gets hurt. Save the environment at all costs, but everyone still wants a job in the resource sector. Everyone complains, no one does anything about it.

The New Brunswickers with ambition are working in Alberta.

Grizz

 

[TXS]

Word.

 

[Dusty23]

And who paid for all those people to do all that work? Taxpayers, like me. it was a make work project that failed miserably. While good in theory, it failed in practicality, this was confirmed by the AG. This is where capitalism shines; where private enterprise can do the same job, more efficiently, for less money, and still turn a profit.

If your against spraying chemicals, how about all the potato fields keeping cavendish and mccains going? Should we park all the land based sprayers and have the government pay people to go and pull weeds, apply fertilizers, and walk around with bug zappers?

I love NB, but the attitude of people there sucks. Everyone wants to get paid to stay home. No one goes to work, no one gets hurt. Save the environment at all costs, but everyone still wants a job in the resource sector. Everyone complains, no one does anything about it.

I'm not against applying pesticides or herbicides when it comes to farming, just when it's ruining the habitat for game animals that I hunt. I'm not lazy and I don't hunt out of my truck. I actually prefer to still hunt and stalk my game, but when I have to drive an hour at least to get to a location it kind of sucks. Especially when my backyard is the sticks! Then I have to factor in all of the other hunters who are probably hunting the same chunk of woods that I am, because their backyard is also void of game! So if we seem negative, sorry! I think we are justified in feeling this way. It sounds to me like your just an a$$ that likes to stir up sh!t, this topic doesn't affect you one way or another so run along now and worry about your own province.

 

[TXS]

I'm not against applying pesticides or herbicides when it comes to farming, just when it's ruining the habitat for game animals that I hunt. I'm not lazy and I don't hunt out of my truck. I actually prefer to still hunt and stalk my game, but when I have to drive an hour at least to get to a location it kind of sucks. Especially when my backyard is the sticks! Then I have to factor in all of the other hunters who are probably hunting the same chunk of woods that I am, because their backyard is also void of game! So if we seem negative, sorry! I think we are justified in feeling this way. It sounds to me like your just an a$$ that likes to stir up sh!t, this topic doesn't affect you one way or another so run along now and worry about your own province.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm not trying to stir anything, but I call BS when I see it. It grinds my gears when people speculate and blame something they don't understand, and when informed of the truth and a different point of view, they still only want to argue their point of view as still in the right ( sort of like the anti gunners?)

Yes, I know it's a pain you have to drive a whole hour to your hunting grounds. It involves planning, patience, resources and time. And your right, if you have to go that far, so do others, therefore compition. Guess what? You can deal with it, it is possible. The nearest crown land for me is 1.5 hour drive away for me; hunting grounds are just shy of 3 hours one way, and that's just to the entry point. It takes a whole day to go out, set up/check my trail cams, scout the area, erect a tree stand/blind and try to be home by 8pm. I've burnt a full tank of fuel, my vehicle is usually covered in mud/dust/grime, and I'm played out by day end. I do it, because I love to hunt. I love being out here, and there are obstacles to overcome. Does it suck to drive almost 6 hours to hunt? Sure does, but I suck it up, and I do it, rather than complain on a board about how rough you have it because your neighbours wood lot doesn't have deer like it used to.

If I were back in NB (and maybe someday will be), I'd be making the trek to those massive hardwood stands that still do exist. I'd find the big white tails that still do exist there, and I'd have a hell of a good time doing it, even if it involved a little leg work. I'd do it because I love it, and there would be no complaints I assure you.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Then I have to factor in all of the other hunters who are probably hunting the same chunk of woods that I am, because their backyard is also void of game!

There is something you might want to consider, too many hunters chasing too few game. Welcome to the 21 century.

Grizz

 

[Rob]

..and salmon, and whales.

 

[albayo]

This won't get published in a NB Newspaper because Irving owns the big ones in this province.
Our premier doesn't know his a** from a hole in the ground and won't do anything about it.

 

[TXS]

Our premier doesn't know his a** from a hole in the ground and won't do anything about it.

Want something done about it? How about becoming part of a solution, rather than complaining about a problem. I've seen at least 20 deer on NB hunter's Facebook page since yesterday, the largest a 6 point, remainder are small 2x2's or spike horns. How about starting a petition to let them grow to a size before hand, shooting restricted to 4x4 (8 point) or larger. How about a shorter season? How about both?

Just remember, you voted liberal, provincial AND federal. Lie in the bed you've made.