The REAL price of an XCR

I consistantly shoot 3" or better 3 shot groups @ 300 yards with my XCR-L in 6.8 SPC loaded with my Barnes 95gr TTSX + 30grs H322 + Rem LR primer brass + Win LR primers + crimp with Lee factory crimp die = 2825fps.

This group was shot using the back of my quad as a rest distance was 347 yards that I shot in actual field conditions second pic is the view from the quad to the rock which is located center of the pic about 20 - 30 feet to the left of the top of the light coloured log.

Yes one bullet hit low left just missing the rock beside my thumb.

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I have just started working up loads for my XCR-L 223 upper Barnes 62gr TSX + 25.5grs Varget + Rem brass + Win SR primers + crimp with Lee factory crimp die = 2800fps I am averaging 3/4" 100 yard 4 shot goups, haven't had time to shoot this load further also want to try and increase the velocity to 2900fps if I can and still retain the accuracy.

I have one target with this 223 combo that I saved but haven't taken a pic of it yet.

I'm thinking that the majority of XCR-L owners are not mounting optics that allow for precision shooting and/or they are shooting crap loads basically you can't group anything if you don't spend the time making it work first...

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I shot 2 mule deer with my XCR-L in 6.8 SPC with the above 95gr TTSX loads this fall first was a 2 point mule deer buck @ 166 yards the second was a anterless mule deer shot was 80 yards both were DRT.

Here is the first one my son shot the other buck with his old 270 Weatherby loaded with 140gr TSX @ 3230fps.

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and yes it is awesome to pack/hunt with a non-restricted semi-auto rifle...

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So in other words I totally recommend getting a non-restricted XCR-L...

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I agree with Cam on the optics thing. I picked up my 6.8 just before hunting season and didn't have a chance to do much load development, but so far I'm around 1.25 - 1.5 moa at 100 yd. I still think there is room for improvement. These were with 110 gr. SPH's and 110 accubonds. I didn't try the 110 gr. barnes yet. But if you look at Camp Cooks results with the 95 gr. Barnes' then I'd say that they were adequate for a Deer gun. I just picked up a 5.56 barrel assembly of the EE for an excellent price so now I can see what my AR loads look like in this gun. As far as ergonomics go, I like it, going back and forth between my AR's and the XCR, I'm actually liking the layout more every time I handle it. Or you could wait for the Keltec .308 Bullpup, or a Norc. M14, or an FN....
 
werewolf said:
I agree with Cam on the optics thing.
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It's also an issue with the "Monolithic" rail system. In order to mount larger varmint or target shooting scopes you run into ring height issues. I had this with my Armalite AR10 as well. I could only go to 50mm scope objective and had to use the extra high rings. This just worked. Once you get into raisers and stuff you add another variable to affect accuracy.

I have to say Glock4ever's XCR is how these things should come out of the factory. An excellent choice of stock especially for the heavier front of the XCR.

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Shrapnel said:
Doesn't the AR-180b have a tendency to break at the front hinge? Leaving you with a useless, impossible to repair plastic receiver that is no longer made?
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There were only 2 things that made this occur. There was a batch of rifles that had a problem with the lowers breaking due to a bad polymer mix - usually these broke while the user was firing them, or they started to notice hairline cracks near the hinge. Or the other reason for the lower breaking is because the upper is forcibly slammed forward when the owner goes to open it and lets it drop open. In the case of the former, Armalite was replacing them free of charge, though I don't know if they have any lowers left over to do so now. And in the case of the latter, the owner is an idiot for letting it slam open, and the manual not only warns against doing this, but also clearly states that it isn't covered by warranty.

I've had my AR-180B for close to 2 years now, and I'm not the first owner, either. I've yet to have any problems with the lower, and although having a metal lower would be nice, I've given mine enough rough use while out hunting that I'm not worried about the polymer lower breaking.
 
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Epoxy: With the factory stock (if you notice it is lower) you don't have to use high rings at all that is why if you look at Camp Cook's rifle the scope is really low mounted because it gets a better cheekweld. I had to put a riser on my Aimpoint - the new adapter raises the stock to a height similar to an AR15 level. I am pretty happy with my XCR set up and it shoots quite well (for a semi) 10 rd mags, non-restricted, I like taking it out and shooting at coyotes, rocks, whatever my heart fancies :) The UBR is a pricey piece of kit but I really like the stock a lot. When you really get down to it most guys that trick out their AR, XCR, Swiss, whatever probably end up spending more on the optics and barbie accessories then on the actual rifle itself. In my case the UBR, Aimpoint, Adapter, MIAD Grip and XTM rails probably ran the bill up to a grand+. That doesn't even account for the 11-10 rd mags I had to buy on top of that... and I still need to get ammo too! Shooting black rifles ain't cheap

ArmedSask: Not really an XCR fanboy - if a better system comes out that is non-restricted I will get it - I have owned and tried almost every non-restr semi out there - except the Swiss Arms (M96, AR180b, XCR, HK SL8-5, M14S, M1A etc) and the only one I actually really didn't like was the SL8-5 - the thumbhole stock actually hurt to shoot for me (bit into the webbing of my right hand) the others had something or the other that I didn't like - I haven't found anything to dislike on the XCR YET (I am pretty fussy so I am sure something will pop up). The Swiss arms is probably better but I don't like the mags and sight mounting options for it though... the only gun in my collection I will never sell is my Glock 22 (because it was my first gun).

Don't really need to be an elitist to look down on an AR180b. Isn't it made by Mattel or was it Hasbro? :)
 
hbean said:
You better have a lot of milk on hand, because at the prices they will be asking for the SCAR and ACR that will be one tough piece of pie you are going to be choking down. :p
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In Arkansas 2 months ago a 16" SCAR-L with 5 mags, folding stock and case was $1600 taxes and transfer included. Not bad for new to market pricing.

Look at the list price of the XCR, now add the folder, 5 mags, transfer and taxes.

If the SCAR is cheaper than an XCR in the US why would it be more expensive in Canada.
 
Janeau said:
The XCR is a combat rifle with good accuracy
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You're definitely being overly generous calling the XCR a "combat rifle"...or offering "good accuracy" for that matter.

The XCR is a sub-$1000.00 rifle being sold for more than twice that. At $850-$900 it would offer good value for the performance it offers. At $2300-$2400? Absolutely not!

You be money in picking up a new Ruger Mini-14 and dressing it up with aftermarket doo-dads and a couple of 1000rnd cases of .223 rather than buying an XCR at the current price.

Shop around and throw a few hundred extra with the price of a new XCR and you can pick up a low-round count Swiss Arms.
 
Gunnerlove said:
If the SCAR is cheaper than an XCR in the US why would it be more expensive in Canada.
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Questar's limited supply of SCAR was priced at over $3000, also look at the pricing history of other FN products like P90S and the FS2000.

Don't even try to project a price based on US prices, it will just make you cry.

If anyone actually took the time and look at XCR prices closely, they will noice the Candian version has more than $350 worth accsseories to comply with the US dept export regulation, that are optional to US domestic market.
 
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i was impressed with the mr1. argo system. It feels, right, it feels natural, nice looking design. bolt operates more smoothly compared a norc rifle. Just the fact that a mr1 has no issues with what ammo you feed it, makes it a great rifle to use. AR are like queens, need the best ammo. MR1 is the girl that will get down and dirty with out complaining. MR1 is a highly under respected rifle.
 
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I am very happy with my XCR 7.62, shoots great. pic is from yesterday, bout -11 at the range, 100meters with win wb, leupy 1.5x5 mk4, 5 shots in one big hole:D.
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admittedly the best group to date with most averaging about 1" group, will shoot cheap surp 10 shot groups of 2-3". While many say the value isn't there for the XCR: any other monolithic upper, 2 stage trigger, etc ar15 will cost about the same. also factor in the RA is a small manufacturer, small guys have higher manufacturing costs due to volume. is it a battle tried platform? nope! that being said, when someone comes out with a 22 conversion for the XCR all my ar's will be gone and i would not hesitate for one minute whether i would depend on the XCR.
don't forget the ar platforms have there own weaknesses, i don't need to stake my carrier bolts!!!;) who owns an ar and doesn't have a spare parts kit?one last point, no AR15 platform performs reliably with 7.62x39, while the XCR does this amazingly well.
i wonder how many of the "haters" have actually fired an XCR?
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yup, just about crapped my drawers when i looked thru the spotting scope and just saw one big hole. i had another 5 rounds ready to go but i was too scared i'd screw up and ruin the group:redface:. i might try a little more scope and see what she'll do at 200 and further. only bad thing is 7.62 runs out of speed soooo fast.
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It is alot of money but for made in the USA or even Euro... guns your gonna pay money and everyone knows this going in its just part of the game.
 
cueball said:
I am very happy with my XCR 7.62, shoots great. pic is from yesterday, bout -11 at the range, 100meters with win wb, leupy 1.5x5 mk4, 5 shots in one big hole:D.
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admittedly the best group to date with most averaging about 1" group, will shoot cheap surp 10 shot groups of 2-3". While many say the value isn't there for the XCR: any other monolithic upper, 2 stage trigger, etc ar15 will cost about the same. also factor in the RA is a small manufacturer, small guys have higher manufacturing costs due to volume. is it a battle tried platform? nope! that being said, when someone comes out with a 22 conversion for the XCR all my ar's will be gone and i would not hesitate for one minute whether i would depend on the XCR.
don't forget the ar platforms have there own weaknesses, i don't need to stake my carrier bolts!!!;) who owns an ar and doesn't have a spare parts kit?one last point, no AR15 platform performs reliably with 7.62x39, while the XCR does this amazingly well.
i wonder how many of the "haters" have actually fired an XCR?
cueball
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WOW thats insane WTF
 
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