The Remington 742 in extreme cold....Jam-O-Matic?

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I have heard all kinds of talk over the years about the Remington Jam-O-Matic, but only ever seen one that did not function properly. Friend of mine in Anchorage, Alaska, has one that tears the extractor through the rim of every case, not with handloads using too slow a powder, but with factory ammo. I think it must have a lightly rusted chamber, although you would never know it looking at the brass after it has been punched out with a cleaning rod.

We have been having a good spell of cold weather here for the past week, as cold as -34C. Needed to replace the scope on the old 742, and figured this might be a good time to do an experiment. Headed to the range and let the rifle and a tray of 150 gr 30-06 handloads freeze up real good late this afternoon. It was -30C, and I am quite sure after being out of the case and exposed to that for more than an hour the rifle and ammo were both pretty close to that temperature. Could have waited longer, but I was finished shooting the other rifles, and was getting cold. :eek:

Started at 25 yd, and fired four rounds getting the scope perfectly dead on at that distance. No malfunction at all: fed, fired, extracted, ejected and reloaded without a hiccup. Set the rifle aside while I set up a target at 100 yd, loaded up the mag and fired at 100. Again, no malfunction at all, and the shots printed into less than an inch and a half.

The load was using Accurate 2495 powder, CCI 200 primers, and the 150 gr Hornady SST.

Two things, the rifle works perfectly at very low temperature, and 2495 powder obviously burns well even in extreme weather. I usually load with magnum primers for caribou hunting in very cold temps, but purposely used the 200s because I was trying to simulate factory ammo. There was no problem at all burning the powder. No unburned powder granules evident on the snow in front of the bench, like we see with some powders.

So, my experience is that the 742, kept clean and lightly oiled, works just fine, even in extremely cold weather. There was not so much as a hiccup up there today. I am not really too much of a semi-auto fan, but this one certainly works, and is more than accurate enough for hunting. In fact, now that I think about it, it might make a good wolf and coyote rifle!

Going to do this again, when it gets really cold! ;) Interested in your thoughts and experience ....... either way.

Ted
 
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I hunted a 742 growing up in northwestern Ontario and often had it out in -30C with no issues. Cleaning rifles was something done at the end of the season too in those days.....
Mine was fussy with ammo other than Remington brand though. Killed moose like a hot damn too!
 
One of my hunting buddies uses a 742 every year for moose, it has never failed him that I know of. Rain, snow, sleet, and well below freezing temps to the point no one should be out hunting! It gets cleaned once a year after season, if you call spraying it down with WD-40 a cleaning, and put away until the next year.
 
Mine (a 1972-vintage in .308 Win.) fired well at about -25; zero malfunctions with three different factory loads; 150 Fed, 180 Fed and 150 Rem Core-Lokt. Easily deer-accurate and easy on the shoulder as well. I also found that fat forend provides a good grip for gloved hands.
 
I have a 742 and a sportsman 74, my Grandpa has a 7400, have never had a single issue at all with any of them jamming in cold, heat, any types of shells cycling threw them... Have heard of people having them jam on them but never experienced it myself. All guns are kept in good working order though i.e. cleaned after every use type of thing... Some guys I know just beat the hell outta there guns then :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: about it when it jams on them and go on rants about how much of a piece of $%@t that type of gun is.
 
Hey Ted,

thanks for the call and a shame we re not being able to shoot with you.

im not a fan either of the semi autos but i have some experience with them and well maintained for sure they shoot and you demonstrate it again.

all the best.

Phil

I have heard all kinds of talk over the years about the Remington Jam-O-Matic, but only ever seen one that did not function properly. Friend of mine in Anchorage, Alaska, has one that tears the extractor through the rim of every case, not with handloads using too slow a powder, but with factory ammo. I think it must have a lightly rusted chamber, although you would never know it looking at the brass after it has been punched out with a cleaning rod.

We have been having a good spell of cold weather here for the past week, as cold as -34C. Needed to replace the scope on the old 742, and figured this might be a good time to do an experiment. Headed to the range and let the rifle and a tray of 150 gr 30-06 handloads freeze up real good late this afternoon. It was -30C, and I am quite sure after being out of the case and exposed to that for more than an hour the rifle and ammo were both pretty close to that temperature. Could have waited longer, but I was finished shooting the other rifles, and was getting cold. :eek:

Started at 25 yd, and fired four rounds getting the scope perfectly dead on at that distance. No malfunction at all: fed, fired, extracted, ejected and reloaded without a hiccup. Set the rifle aside while I set up a target at 100 yd, loaded up the mag and fired at 100. Again, no malfunction at all, and the shots printed into less than an inch and a half.

The load was using Accurate 2495 powder, CCI 200 primers, and the 150 gr Hornady SST.

Two things, the rifle works perfectly at very low temperature, and 2495 powder obviously burns well even in extreme weather. I usually load with magnum primers for caribou hunting in very cold temps, but purposely used the 200s because I was trying to simulate factory ammo. There was no problem at all burning the powder. No unburned powder granules evident on the snow in front of the bench, like we see with some powders.

So, my experience is that the 742, kept clean and lightly oiled, works just fine, even in extremely cold weather. There was not so much as a hiccup up there today. I am not really too much of a semi-auto fan, but this one certainly works, and is more than accurate enough for hunting. In fact, now that I think about it, it might make a good wolf and coyote rifle!

Going to do this again, when it gets really cold! ;) Interested in your thoughts and experience ....... either way.

Ted
 
I have a 7400 in .30-06 and it's about 26 yrs old.There have been no issues at all with it but it is kept clean.I am no fan of semi's either but it's been in the family since new.I don't think they are for anyone who is a slacker when it comes to firearm maintenance.
 
If anyone knows shooting firearms in the cold it is you Ted. I have to agree that good maintenance is what saves the day when mother nature throws one of those wild days at you.
 
Hey Ted, never had a 740 or newer versions and numbers, but I did have a Win 100 in 308 and it also functioned flawlessly with a variety of loads. A friend had a BAR in 300 WM and it worked without a hitch and was the most pleasant 300 I've ever shot. Our semis, although not my choice are very reliable given a little proper care. IMHO
 
I have never had any of mine jam up due to cold(I've owned four of them, all 742's in .30/06 and .308). I did see one fail to fire on a VERY cold day and that was due to the fact that the owner saturated the bolt with oil which froze up enough to slow the firing pin fall. The old Remington manuals recommended degreasing and relubricating with dry graphite for extreme cold but I suppose there are better alternatives nowadays.
 
I've got a couple of 742's, one in .308 and one in 30-06, and they've given me no problems.

Having been a fan of semi auto's since I was a boy, and having spent three years in the infantry caring for my rifle, I have found that care and maintenance cannot be understated in regards to semi's. In the armed forces I've seen guys who's rifles constantly had problems, and by coincidence, those guys were the most slovenly with the care of their weapons. I shot my C7 in all sorts of conditions, including -65 degress on the frozen arctic ocean, and the only stoppage I ever had was relating to a plastic mag lip breaking clean off in cold weather. The rifle itself never jammed, or double fed, or failed to extract or anything of the matter. But I was relatively fanatical about keeping my rifle clean and lubricating it (or not) specifically to the conditions I used it in. The old adage of "Take care of your gear and it will take care of you." has always seemed to apply to any semi-auto that I have owned.
 
My father gave me the same gun this week. He purchased it about 38 years ago and never fired a single round through it. I took it out to the range today. I shot 40 rounds and had three jams. Not sure if it was due to the heat buildup after so many rounds or something else. I have no idea how to take this thing apart, So, I can’t take it apart to get a good look at it and make sure nothing is rusted. Assembled it looks like a brand new gun out of the box. I’ll bring it to a gunsmith to have it looked at and cleaned. Then I’ll give it another test run.
 
Did you at least try and degrease the NIB rifle before taking it shooting?
Re-read what every peron said in this thread, maintain, maintain, maintain.
Go buy some brake cleaner and hose the action a nd gas system down, let dry, then lightly lubricate with some G-96, don't forget to clean the chamber either. BTW this is likely all the gunsmith will do and take 3 months to do it and charge you$150.00 for your lack of effort.
 
The 742 and 7400 rifles in 280 have been a staple in my family for a long long time. My Mom used to hunt exclusively with one, the light recoil and flat shooting of the 280 semi made it her favorite rifle by far. This fall I bought my first, a 742 and it has been a flawless rifle too so far. I don't believe in big magnums or pea shooters and the 280 falls right in the middle but shoots flatter than 30-'06 so it works good for me.

I don't think in all the years that we've had these rifles in the bush that we've ever had a stoppage...
 
Remington's quality has been dropping on the newer guns. I bought a new Remington 700 and I couldn't get it to group any smaller than a baseball at 100yd. It had a twisted stock, misaligned crown, and a 1/2 inch deep throat. They still make good guns, just not on Monday, and Friday;)
 
Saw a 742 and a 7400 due the exact same thing and jam in the same year (2011). Both could not extract the shell fully out of the chamber. It got half way out then jammed solidly. Both had to go to a smith to have them removed.
 
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