The Remington "holy grail"???
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Yah, if they worked. They usually end up being a single shot after the first empty brass jams, thus the popularity of the 7600.
Come to think of it ....... You should buy a pumpgun and impress all your friends at the range. You would be very cool with one of those puppies in your arms.
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Ted, some of us Easterners like em. Me and a hunting buddy both owned factory 7400s in 35Whelen for a while - never a hiccup feeding with either. I loaded mine pretty much text book mild. But my friend loaded his up to spitting 250s at 2600+MV with ReL15 regularly. No issues at all. I sold mine because I wanted a carbine semi 35Whelen. Here are links to my old 7400 rifle and it's shorter handier M750 replacement which I need to scope yet because of the high stock comb;
http://www.35cal.com/loading.html#7400
http://www.35cal.com/loading.html#750
AP - With both my rifle (when I had it) and carbine 7600 I have to seat to the ejection port opening clearance length rather than max mag length . If not I can't eject an "UNFIRED" round. Also my 7600 mags permit a max 3.370" COAL. Seating a 200 Hornady Spitzer to that leaves only .125" in the neck - not enough to be practical IMO. I didn't check whether the throat will permit it.
... Actually I don't ever recall a problem with ejecting an unfired round but I will measure the OAL length over the weekend and pass along the measurement ... My Hornady's are seated well out from the cannelure (which is quite evident) and I deduced many years ago when I purchased the rifle new that the rifle is chambered with a very long throat as I could not touch the rifling at the max cartridge length the magazine would accomodate and feed with the Hornady spitzer. This is not uncommon as you probably know - other rifles also are often chambered with long throats - a chum had a Sako like that which annoyed him immensely.
Incidentally - my seating depth - whatever it is - has never caused any problem - the bullets appear to stay put ... although I only use new brass which may have better neck tension. I will admit I was initially aesthetically offended by the appearance of the cannelure some distance from the mouth of the case and was a little paranoid that the projectile would not be held properly or would move under recoil - this has not occcured.
I can tell you that I have not loaded ammunition for this rifle in probably 8-10 years though as I originally hit a fairly accurate load quickly and put up a 100 rounds. Currently I find that 2-3 rounds maximum a year to check zero (which has NEVER altered) and one round to drop a dear (assuming I see one and have a reasonably hold) ... it is accurate and effective. Actually a little boring now that I think of it.....anyway that original ammunition gets trotted out every year. It is completely reliable and the rifle I take if I think I may not get a chance to confirm zero before hunting.
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Remington holy grail
X3 on 720's being Remington's "Holy Grail". As for 7600's, I shot my first good Whitetail with a brandy new .30-06 Carbine in 1988. Took many more Whitetails with it before retiring it to my gun vault. It will always hold a special place in my heart, but I live and hunt out west now where the mighty bolt-action is King.
Geoff
X3 on 720's being Remington's "Holy Grail". As for 7600's, I shot my first good Whitetail with a brandy new .30-06 Carbine in 1988. Took many more Whitetails with it before retiring it to my gun vault. It will always hold a special place in my heart, but I live and hunt out west now where the mighty bolt-action is King.
Geoff
I appreciate the problems you're having finding one.
I looked for over 4 years and left my name with virtually every gunshop in southern Ontario before locating mine.
I stopped by Epps on the way to my first week deer hunt, and they didn't have one. One of my week 2 guys stopped by there a week later and it was in the store then. I bought it on the way home at the end of week 2.
I looked for over 4 years and left my name with virtually every gunshop in southern Ontario before locating mine.
I stopped by Epps on the way to my first week deer hunt, and they didn't have one. One of my week 2 guys stopped by there a week later and it was in the store then. I bought it on the way home at the end of week 2.
Old topic ... but ... Whelen B you mentioned concern over COL on a long seated 35 Whelen 200gr SP and whether it would eject an "unfired" cartridge. Had a question from another shooter so got motivated to pull out the loaded ammo etc and do some measurements.
the loaded OAL is 3.355 inches note that the measures range from 3.352 to 3.358 -- that is because the dies set up on the ogive and not the bullet tip .. this as it should be to maintain the leade to bullet ogive relationship. Thus loaded they will fit the magazine quite well.
My rifle port measures 3.035 (first time I have measured it) this was the basis of your observation - would the limiting factor be the ejection port .
It is not as you can still eject (as I reconfirmed this morning) a longer loaded cartridge (eg 3.355) because the base is held against the bolt face and the loaded round is angled up/right as the bolt is withdrawn - it will then clear the front of the ejection port and fly clear. Confirmed several times - and don't recall this ever being an issue hunting. However your mileage may vary so you should verify in a safe manner (eg with an unprimed uncharged cartridge with bullet seated at the selected OAL). BTW - the nice thing about the 7600 is the magazine and the ability to drop it to safely unload cartridges .. except the one in the chamber of course ... which will eject just fine.
hope that is helpful - and of course regardless of my experience - your OAL length will also be governed by safe loading practices and your rifle chamber.
the loaded OAL is 3.355 inches note that the measures range from 3.352 to 3.358 -- that is because the dies set up on the ogive and not the bullet tip .. this as it should be to maintain the leade to bullet ogive relationship. Thus loaded they will fit the magazine quite well.
My rifle port measures 3.035 (first time I have measured it) this was the basis of your observation - would the limiting factor be the ejection port .
It is not as you can still eject (as I reconfirmed this morning) a longer loaded cartridge (eg 3.355) because the base is held against the bolt face and the loaded round is angled up/right as the bolt is withdrawn - it will then clear the front of the ejection port and fly clear. Confirmed several times - and don't recall this ever being an issue hunting. However your mileage may vary so you should verify in a safe manner (eg with an unprimed uncharged cartridge with bullet seated at the selected OAL). BTW - the nice thing about the 7600 is the magazine and the ability to drop it to safely unload cartridges .. except the one in the chamber of course ... which will eject just fine.
hope that is helpful - and of course regardless of my experience - your OAL length will also be governed by safe loading practices and your rifle chamber.
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Thanks AP
Glad those 7600 loads are working for you and thanks for taking the trouble to check em out for us. It would seem "boring" is quite good if it means they are always working for you. My 7600s were/are boring like that too with my chosen hunting loads.
I have absolutely no problems with long seating bullets and do it all the time myself for more powder room if mag length and throating permit it - to a point. It's a very useful technique sometimes. However I still feel that seating a relatively short 200gr Hornady spire point out to 3.355" is borderline since only about .165" or so of the bullet is in the neck - and approx. .050" of that is the heel radius. That's my personal assessment and choice for me. But I got no bones to pick with you and your choices for your shooting fun or others that follow your lead on this. Happy to hear how well they work for you each year. That bullet is an awesome deer bullet at the right speed I hear. I have a lot of them on hand but to date have only used them punching paper.
I've heard of some who have taken to grinding the ejection port a touch longer. Call me Bubba so I won't myself. Obviously the ports and bolt stops vary somewhat from gun to gun.
Regards
WB
Glad those 7600 loads are working for you and thanks for taking the trouble to check em out for us. It would seem "boring" is quite good if it means they are always working for you. My 7600s were/are boring like that too with my chosen hunting loads.
I have absolutely no problems with long seating bullets and do it all the time myself for more powder room if mag length and throating permit it - to a point. It's a very useful technique sometimes. However I still feel that seating a relatively short 200gr Hornady spire point out to 3.355" is borderline since only about .165" or so of the bullet is in the neck - and approx. .050" of that is the heel radius. That's my personal assessment and choice for me. But I got no bones to pick with you and your choices for your shooting fun or others that follow your lead on this. Happy to hear how well they work for you each year. That bullet is an awesome deer bullet at the right speed I hear. I have a lot of them on hand but to date have only used them punching paper.
Yep my mileage does vary - both my 35 Whelen/7600s - rifle and factory carbine - will not eject an unfired round longer than 3.340" (rifle) and 3.320" (carbine). I first discovered this trying to unload at the range with COAL set at mag length. It suprised me. I had to fire off the round in order to empty my gun for the trip home. I'm not the slightest bit concerned with the "look" of a long seated bullet either. I do it all time and my loads look like yours but with 250s (or heavier) usually - leaving more in the neck.
I've heard of some who have taken to grinding the ejection port a touch longer. Call me Bubba so I won't myself. Obviously the ports and bolt stops vary somewhat from gun to gun.
Regards
WB
Don't know exactly how deep those bullets are in the case.. they were factory new cases and don't remember ever trimming them after they were sized and I also don't know how long the Hornady 200gr bullets are. But one day I will unlock the various boxes again and have another round of measuring... in any event they have stayed put - so far anyway.
If you get a moment and can measure a few of your 200gr Hornady SP - and let us know that would be interesting.
I wonder if you couldn't just push a loaded cartridge off the face of the bolt and let it drop through the magazine well rather than having to fire it? Don't know as I haven't had to try that but as the extractor is on the "port" side maybe pushing on the cartridge base would release it and let it drop down...
Anyway my records show two loads for the 35cal 200gr Hornady SP: one was the 200gr with 55gr of IMR 3031 and a chrony reading of 2725fps and another load with 54gr of IMR3031 (and no chrony reading on the target) ... it looks like I decided that the 54gr load gave a little better accuracy so I stuck with that. (ignore this next part as it is what somebody once called "typewriter shooting" but according to the targets I kept both loads kept the first two rounds less than 1 caliber apart at 100yds - so much for pump guns! Of course I have been known to throw out the "occasional" bad target) I am quite happy with anything around 2700fps in a soft point. If more power is required I believe in adding bullet weight - not velocity.
If you get a moment and can measure a few of your 200gr Hornady SP - and let us know that would be interesting.
I wonder if you couldn't just push a loaded cartridge off the face of the bolt and let it drop through the magazine well rather than having to fire it? Don't know as I haven't had to try that but as the extractor is on the "port" side maybe pushing on the cartridge base would release it and let it drop down...
Anyway my records show two loads for the 35cal 200gr Hornady SP: one was the 200gr with 55gr of IMR 3031 and a chrony reading of 2725fps and another load with 54gr of IMR3031 (and no chrony reading on the target) ... it looks like I decided that the 54gr load gave a little better accuracy so I stuck with that. (ignore this next part as it is what somebody once called "typewriter shooting" but according to the targets I kept both loads kept the first two rounds less than 1 caliber apart at 100yds - so much for pump guns! Of course I have been known to throw out the "occasional" bad target) I am quite happy with anything around 2700fps in a soft point. If more power is required I believe in adding bullet weight - not velocity.
LOL Calum, does the 'Wet Coast' count as 'Out West'?
Just teasing...
I think the .35 Whelen is good ####... in fact, the next rifle I buy will be chambered or rebarreled in that cartridge.
It will however, be a bolt action without question.
Just teasing...
I think the .35 Whelen is good ####... in fact, the next rifle I buy will be chambered or rebarreled in that cartridge.
It will however, be a bolt action without question.
90% of the hunting population of BC ?
X4
And yeah, out west here I see more bolts than anything else, so I'd have to agree with Geoff. Bolt actions are King here....
NAA.
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I'll go along with Andy and longbranch....the 720 for me, in .257 Roberts.....
I actually thought I found one at the Calgary Show 2 weeks ago. Saw it sitting there, beside a couple 60's vintage 700's. I thought.......this can't be! Well, after a dry mouth and closer inspection, I was right, it wasn't a 720. It was an exceptional sporterised '17 Enfield, that was very tastefully done to 'recreate' a 720. The guy that built it smiled when I told him what I thought it was when I first spotted it. He wanted a 720 for so long, he just decided to build one.
I liked so much I bought it.....it's in 30.06.
I actually thought I found one at the Calgary Show 2 weeks ago. Saw it sitting there, beside a couple 60's vintage 700's. I thought.......this can't be! Well, after a dry mouth and closer inspection, I was right, it wasn't a 720. It was an exceptional sporterised '17 Enfield, that was very tastefully done to 'recreate' a 720. The guy that built it smiled when I told him what I thought it was when I first spotted it. He wanted a 720 for so long, he just decided to build one.
I liked so much I bought it.....it's in 30.06.
AP - The Hornady Spirepoint interlock bullets I have measure 1.032" long (approximately .050" of that length is heel radius).
Hence with a 2.490 case length (Rem 35Whelen factory cases untrimmed on hand) and your COAL of 3.355", I figure this 3.355 minus 2.490 = .865" and then 1.032 minus .865 = .167" of bullet in neck.
Don't think I could do that with the recessed "ring of steel" 7600 bolt face and extractor design. Regardless that does not seem acceptable to me in my hunting rifle which needs to be easily unloaded routinely.
