The Scout Scope And The M14

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Boys I just turned 50 today and goddammit...I think my days of shooting irons may be over. I have been stinking out the gun range with my M14 for the last little while and thank God the boys at the rod and gun club are gentlemen - they pretend to not notice my bad marksmanship! V:I: In a fit of rage I cased the M14 and pulled the Tavor mouse gun and started shooting acceptably well...but I have a scope on it and that great new Timney trigger on it which helps.

I really, really don't want to scope this rifle. But if it becomes necessary I think I want to go to a Scout scope - I hear the guys saying that conventionally mounted scopes get beaten by flying brass, and I don't like cheek rests and other contraptions that I see because of the high mounting of such scopes. Do any of you have any experience with the handguard mount being offered by the boys at M14.CA? Can I get a low enough scope on that so I don't have to go to improvised cheek rests? What kind of accuracy is reasonable to expect from such a set up? Off the bench with irons my Springfield Loaded seems to print 2~2.5" groups with whatever I feed it...but everything goes to hell when I start shooting off my hind feet!

Your advice is sincerely appreciated.:mad:
 
Happy birthday!

The m14.ca handguard is great. I'm not running a scout scope but am using an rsa red dot. The setup sits low but I still use a 1/2" cheek rest.

I have several scoped m14's and can get fairly low with an arms 18. I have one that likes to hit the scope with brass so I just wrapped it in some camo non stick tape.

 
One Lung you have the same predicament as me I was a good marksman (was) I had a stroke not to long ago and now my collection of Springfield's are now going to be scoped. Like you I am saddened to put a scope on one of them as it admits to my vision issues, it's hard to accept but it's my reality. I know I am not answering your question with an opinion but at least it's not just me dealing with this frustrating problem I wish you many "bulls eyes"
 
Happy birthday! :dancingbanana:

One Lung Wonder said:
Boys I just turned 50 today and goddammit...I think my days of shooting irons may be over.

I really, really don't want to scope this rifle. But if it becomes necessary I think I want to go to a Scout scope - Do any of you have any experience with the handguard mount being offered by the boys at M14.CA? Can I get a low enough scope on that so I don't have to go to improvised cheek rests? What kind of accuracy is reasonable to expect from such a set up?
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I have a new SHG inbound from M14.ca, and I keep a Leupold Scout scope in my shop for whenever I want to use it.
Here is an older picture of a Scout set-up with the heavier UltiMAK M8.
I did not need a cheek riser, and the fixed 2.5x magnification was all I needed.

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I use the same scope on my Guide Gun

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H2O MAN said:
Happy birthday! :dancingbanana:

I have a new SHG inbound from M14.ca, and I keep a Leupold Scout scope in my shop for whenever I want to use it. Here is an older picture of a Scout set-up with the heavier UltiMAK M8. I did not need a cheek riser, and the fixed 2.5x magnification was all I needed.

I use the same scope on my Guide Gun.
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I have the exact same two setups.

I have since replaced my Leupold with the H-Lux 2-7x32 long eye relief for longer shots. Available here: http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/10381/Hi-Lux-ATR-Long-Eye-Relief-2-7x32-Matte.aspx


To the OP: Do you really want a Scout scope setup? The biggest downside is field of view. It really is like looking down a straw. I had an unpleasant experience in moderate forest trying to track a running moose. I have since moved back to a red dot for that kind of hunting. I understand your concerns about a conventionally mounted scope on a M14. I have two M14's with regular scopes and do need cheek rests, but the results are great.

Good luck!
 
Sharkson said:
To the OP: Do you really want a Scout scope setup? The biggest downside is field of view. It really is like looking down a straw.
I had an unpleasant experience in moderate forest trying to track a running moose. I have since moved back to a red dot for that kind of hunting.
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Valid points. I will rely on an Aimpoint Micro T-1 99% of the time.
 
One Lung Wonder said:
Boys I just turned 50 today and goddammit...I think my days of shooting irons may be over. I have been stinking out the gun range with my M14 for the last little while and thank God the boys at the rod and gun club are gentlemen - they pretend to not notice my bad marksmanship! V:I: In a fit of rage I cased the M14 and pulled the Tavor mouse gun and started shooting acceptably well...but I have a scope on it and that great new Timney trigger on it which helps.

I really, really don't want to scope this rifle. But if it becomes necessary I think I want to go to a Scout scope - I hear the guys saying that conventionally mounted scopes get beaten by flying brass, and I don't like cheek rests and other contraptions that I see because of the high mounting of such scopes. Do any of you have any experience with the handguard mount being offered by the boys at M14.CA? Can I get a low enough scope on that so I don't have to go to improvised cheek rests? What kind of accuracy is reasonable to expect from such a set up? Off the bench with irons my Springfield Loaded seems to print 2~2.5" groups with whatever I feed it...but everything goes to hell when I start shooting off my hind feet!

Your advice is sincerely appreciated.:mad:
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Happy birthday. I used to own a Norc M-14 and used an ARMS 18 mount. My scope never got a hit from a single piece of brass. If I still owned my Norc I would be very interested in the new hand guard that M-14.ca is introducing (long sight plane hand guard).

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-Sight-Plane-Hand-Guard-to-Release-in-Q3-2014
 
Hmpffff.

I am flapping in the breeze on this. I am a bit of a chit house leather worker and could probably knock a cheek rest together for a conventional scope mount. Question - how robust are these mounts from M14.CA? I don't want to bugger around with flimsy mounts - I want to put this on ONCE and forget it!
 
One Lung Wonder said:
I am flapping in the breeze on this. I am a bit of a chit house leather worker and could probably knock a cheek rest together for a conventional scope mount. Question - how robust are these mounts from M14.CA? I don't want to bugger around with flimsy mounts - I want to put this on ONCE and forget it!
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I have one of these [M14.ca SHG]...got it on an M305 I bought from another member here. I really like it...very solid and sits low to the barrel. It is _not_ flimsy at all, at all...I would say it is an excellent quality piece. I also have an Ultimak installed on another M305...it's also very solid but unless there are some tricks to installing it that I've overlooked, it doesn't seem as nice a fit with the barrel and stock. It works, it just doesn't look as nice.
 
RE. Scout Scopes in general, from what I read before I tried one, some people really don't like them. I've done pretty much all of my shooting with open sights (.22) or skeet shooting and had no experience using a scope at all. I've mounted a Burris 2.75x on my Gunsite Scout and while I have yet to hunt deer with it, I can say it is very natural for me. Just targeting things in the bush to get a feel for it I find that both eyes engage easily. If I want a wide field of vision my right eye takes over (I'm left-handed and left-eye dominant), and whatever I'm targeting shows up with "full, normal vision" dead center, as if the scope wasn't there. Then my left eye takes over and the scout scope comes into focus and I get the magnified reticle, no moving my head at all.

I didn't know what to expect when I ordered the setup, I thought I would just give it a try. I'm really surprised at how easy and effective it is.
 
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