The SEALS pick the Glock 19. (merged)

Canuck44 said:
Mark this would be true of most modern pistols eg. M&P from S&W and the P-01/PCR from CZ.

Take Care

Bob
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Probably true, but I haven't personally witnessed it, or taken part in it, and I'm not aware of any other manufacturers that make any actual claims about doing it. Having said that, there are probably YouTube videos of it being done. For Glocks, it is a regular thing at many shooting and demo events.

I was referring to the general interchangeability of modern gun parts, and probably original 1911s, compared to the more fitted parts required by modern 1911s.

As for those examples, there aren't too many being run by any Tier 1 units that I am aware of. As someone posted, the Glock 19 has been around for 27 years, and except for a little glitch with early Gen4s that has now been rectified, they just plain run. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Glock 19s don't really work as well for me as other options, but I am not a Navy SEAL, I don't have the same requirements. If I could carry concealed here in Canada as I have done elsewhere for over 30 years, I might be willing to sacrifice some handling for a more compact and concealable package (yes, 1/2 an inch either way does matter, if you don't believe me, just ask your girlfriend), but I have carried Glock 17s concealed thousands of times without issues.

Regards.

Mark
 
MWL said:
Probably true, but I haven't personally witnessed it, or taken part in it, and I'm not aware of any other manufacturers that make any actual claims about doing it. Having said that, there are probably YouTube videos of it being done. For Glocks, it is a regular thing at many shooting and demo events.

I was referring to the general interchangeability of modern gun parts, and probably original 1911s, compared to the more fitted parts required by modern 1911s.

As for those examples, there aren't too many being run by any Tier 1 units that I am aware of. As someone posted, the Glock 19 has been around for 27 years, and except for a little glitch with early Gen4s that has now been rectified, they just plain run. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Glock 19s don't really work as well for me as other options, but I am not a Navy SEAL, I don't have the same requirements. If I could carry concealed here in Canada as I have done elsewhere for over 30 years, I might be willing to sacrifice some handling for a more compact and concealable package (yes, 1/2 an inch either way does matter, if you don't believe me, just ask your girlfriend), but I have carried Glock 17s concealed thousands of times without issues.

Regards.

Mark
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If you have an interest read the testing of the CZ 75D PCR/ P-01 completed for the Czech Police. Quite apart from the mixing of parts the requirements also had a before and after accuracy component. The reason for the absence of claims is likely due to the fact the ability is common among pistols due to present day manufacturing. The guns posted on this thread are all assembled from parts bins. The days of hand fitting of firearms in this genre died 40 years ago.

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
If you have an interest read the testing of the CZ 75D PCR/ P-01 completed for the Czech Police. Quite apart from the mixing of parts the requirements also had a before and after accuracy component. The reason for the absence of claims is likely due to the fact the ability is common among pistols due to present day manufacturing. The guns posted on this thread are all assembled from parts bins. The days of hand fitting of firearms in this genre died 40 years ago.

Bob
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The Czech Police chose CZ! No, who would have thought. Incidentally, they also use the Glock 17 when on international deployments, as do certain Czech Military units.

Regards.

Mark
 
Canuck44 said:
Sorry I thought I was having a discussion with an adult.

Take Care

Bob
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I'm not sure what part of my comment wasn't "adult" enough for you.

If it was the comment about my surprise that the Czech Police would choose anything but a CZ, then maybe you're naive enough to believe CZs advertising. They were going to choose it over everything else anyway, unless it failed all their tests, and it wasn't going to do that, because they set up the tests they needed it to pass. That would be like the Italian police not "selecting" Beretta. Where do you think CZ is made?

If you think passing their tests and being selected by the Czech police is some sort of indication that it is the most awesome pistol ever made, then maybe I shouldn't bother wasting my time online attempting to have a sensible conversation with you. Perhaps you're too much of a CZ fanboi to have an adult conversation about alternatives. Please tell me what other "elite" units selected the CZ, and explain why the Czech police use Glocks overseas if the CZ is that amazing. Or why it wasn't selected by Czech SF.

I'll come back when you can actually have an adult conversation that includes more than your unqualified personal opinion.

Regards.

Mark
 
GuiltySpark said:
At the end of the day it really just matters what jtf2 and delta force are using.
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It does speak to the realities of combat use vs sport and general target shooting, and collecting. No harm can come from knowing such stuff and I find it quite interesting.

Practical everyday knowledge is one reason I wish I was still in regular contact with the secret squirrel types I was at one point. In the case of handguns, I kept asking them why they wanted to mess around with external hammers and single-double action triggers with two different pulls (not to mention safeties) when they didn't have to. In fact, at one point it seemed like the M&P 9 was gaining favour in Canada, but Glocks were getting mentioned too....
 
Canuck44 said:
If you take the time to investigate the rules surrounding election funding I think you will agree the Canadian public is well served by the restrictions placed upon campaign elections and rules regarding "gifts" to politicians. The fact Canadians are somewhat less engaged with the election process does not make one system better or worse than another. Just different.

Take Care

Bob
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BLAH !!!!! God damn it,now I have to clean coffee out of my keyboard.
 
Heres what hickok45 had to say.


Guess many of you have already heard about this. There's some validity when people (glock haters, especially) rationalize that the only reason police agencies, and maybe even militaries around the world, choose Glocks is the price or agency politics. That does play a large role sometimes in large adoptions, of course. The thing that is hard to argue with here if the Navy SEALs are actually going to adopt the G19 is that THEY are not going to carry some piece of junk just because some bean counter or bureaucrat behind a desk decided it for them. The operators themselves test these guns and either make the choice themselves, or in the very least, have an enormous amount of say in what they carry. At least that is MY understanding. Since there are lots of "operators" and Navy SEALs on the Internet, maybe they can chime in on this one. smile emoticon Obviously, the Sig P226 is a great pistol, too, but given the amount of respect virtually everybody has for SEALs, this decision will undoubtedly cause a lot of confusion among Glock haters. http://loadoutroom.com/…/naval-special-warfare-selects-the…/
 
Honestly, anyone who didn't see this coming is far enough removed from knowledge of these kind of decisions that I just don't see the point of arguing it much. NSW are essentially the last people to get in step with the rest of JSOC on the 19. This has been coming for ages, and the 19 has been in heavy use within NSW for a really long time. The only thing that was a little surprising was a couple of weeks ago, when everyone got told to turn in their 226s. I thought it would be a slower phase-in.


Choice of gun though...that's been no secret for a long time. It's the direction JSOC went ages ago.
 
misanthropist said:
Honestly, anyone who didn't see this coming is far enough removed from knowledge of these kind of decisions that I just don't see the point of arguing it much. NSW are essentially the last people to get in step with the rest of JSOC on the 19. This has been coming for ages, and the 19 has been in heavy use within NSW for a really long time. The only thing that was a little surprising was a couple of weeks ago, when everyone got told to turn in their 226s. I thought it would be a slower phase-in.


Choice of gun though...that's been no secret for a long time. It's the direction JSOC went ages ago.
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thus endeth the lesson...
 
NSW is Naval Special Warfare.

JSOC is Joint Special Operations Command.

Basically, what Misanthropist is saying is is that anyone who has any real knowledge about this has known that US Special Forces have been using the Glock 19 for a long time, including the SEALs, even though their "official" handgun has been the SIG 226.

Also, unlike "big army", SpecOps units get to choose what they want, and their choice is usually based less on politics and back room deals, and more on what the guys at the pointy tip of the spear actually want and need.

Regards.

Mark
 
MWL said:
NSW is Naval Special Warfare.

JSOC is Joint Special Operations Command.

Basically, what Misanthropist is saying is is that anyone who has any real knowledge about this has known that US Special Forces have been using the Glock 19 for a long time, including the SEALs, even though their "official" handgun has been the SIG 226.

Also, unlike "big army", SpecOps units get to choose what they want, and their choice is usually based less on politics and back room deals, and more on what the guys at the pointy tip of the spear actually want and need.

Regards.

Mark
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That about covers it I think.

About the only thing I would add is that if you DIDN'T know this was coming, that's only important if you now feel like you should be weighing in on this decision. Other than that, I don't think this has much (if any) relevance to the Canadian shooting public; the only reason I know/find it a tiny bit relevant is that I have friends in the US special operations community and I work with guns for a living. Other than that I probably wouldn't give it any thought at all. Literally the only reason I'm commenting is that I made martinis tonight and mine is JUST kicking in so what the ####.

I guess there's also the point to make that conceivably there are people out there still going "but the go-lock's a POS...WTF???" but those people are so far out of touch that they aren't just out of the loop on this decision, they're out of the loop on the last decade plus of service pistol action, and can be safely ignored as far as polymer service pistols go.

But in general I wouldn't worry much about what the SEALs are up to, unless your needs are similar to their needs, in which case you should absolutely look at exactly what they do, because they're good at it, and they use good gear for that application. If this news makes you feel like you should ditch your Shadow and run a 19 for IPSC, you probably want to rethink that. If you think that the SEALs should have chosen a 1911, you probably want to rethink that, too.
 
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