The SIG Sauer P320 Has Never Been Good

aroundpg said:
Unfortunately I am being issued one for duty in the fall...I am a bit worried
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You should have a union and an OH&S Committee.


4n2t0 said:
Exactly. I don't get it either. People are so loyal to companies for which THEY paid for products with THEIR hard-earned money!
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It's called Confirmation Bias. People will go to great lengths to justify a purchase because to admit a product they spent their hard earned money on is a cr@p product is to admit they were stupid and made a bad choice. People absolutely HATE to admit they were stupid.
 
The fundamental trick is to be at least 10% smarter than the tools you are using. Don’t point your Tupperware at anything you don’t want to destroy or save for tomorrow’s lunch.
 
m1008 said:
Sad when you look at the history from Switzerland-Germany to USA “made” guns using Indian parts lolView attachment 986725
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Actually it's quite ironic in the case of comparing India and Germany in regards to metallurgy in weapons manufacturing.

In the 19th century, India was well regarded as highly sought after for blades manufacturing (ie "wootz" steel) but only ultimately small batch production. Germany had seen major advances from the Industrial Revolution and was mass producing blades (regardless of where they were hilted) that were sold far cheaper than Indian, English (Sheffield), etc, not necessarily to the highest quality but good enough. After all, an officer's sword was expected to be used, abused, broken and/or dispose of sometime in one's early career. So not every young junior officer was that motivated to spend multiple times the price for something used in that manner. Or at the very least, an officer will probably get a new sword on promotion to Major anyway.

Anyways, it is pretty well documented that the blunder in the Sudan with the killing of General Gordon and loss of the garrison was used to cast blame on use of 'inferior German blades' which led to a number of initiatives like imports having to be labelled (in a somewhat discriminatory manner). "Made in Germany" was used in the same way that many people refer to "Made in China," "Chinesium" or "Made in India" in more recent times. By the early part of the 20th Century, Germany had flipped the narrative that "Made in Germany" meant quality. [An "quality" can be another bag of worms in engineering terms because it basically only means consistency, not necessarily good.]
 
I Dont Care About You said:
It's called Confirmation Bias. People will go to great lengths to justify a purchase because to admit a product they spent their hard earned money on is a cr@p product is to admit they were stupid and made a bad choice. People absolutely HATE to admit they were stupid.
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This works both ways because those who spent their hard earned money on something else may tend to cr@p on the competitor. Disconfirmation Bias is wiser - to actively seek data that undermines current opinion.
 
What's equally annoying is that thousands of 320s that are (presently) within spec and safe would be available to buy for peanuts right now if we could actually buy handguns still. They actually make great range guns where you plan to shoot them empty and then put them away.
 
This may be piling on or just a repeat of a FB offering already seen, I don't have the strength to go back looking for it. But it is very recent.


And here's the site that Mr Cop says cracked the code:

 
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Obviously the P320 is an even hotter topic within the firearms community at the moment. I think there is a lot to like from a conceptual standpoint that offers lots of flexibility that people wanted, but here are some thoughts of potential issues from a technical mechanical engineering perspective:

Starting with the P250, all of the desirable modularity of the FCU is present and to my understanding this was problem-free... and that makes a lot of sense. As a DAO pistol, it is significantly easier to manage the tolerance specifications for a system that is hammer-fired within the FCU. The FCU housing may be simple stamped steel but the sear and hammer location holes are easier to control in manufacturing, assembly and fitting. This is all before any consideration is given to parts spec tolerance and fitting. Also, any inherent looseness between the slide and the FCU rail isn't really a problem at all in mechanical operation as the hammer-sear engagement/release is not affected.

As the P320 is a modified/converted design from the P250 FCU to a striker-fired system, there is an inherent stacking of quality control and tolerance concerns. The striker is located within the slide, which is relatively loose fit on the FCU rails. This increases complexity to controlling precise fitment, clearances and making parts as a whole to work together consistently and interchangeably batch to batch (ie these aren't hand-made race guns).

[Additionally, the rolling-changes including the voluntary upgrade also make this a much more convoluted problem set as in many a mechanical system may encounter where changes in design, strength and such could have impacts somewhere else that weren't factored in.]
 
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I have not read through the whole thread yet but I will .
I have an Sig P320 Full Frame bought it new just before the ban . I will have to look at my old thread concerning the issue , Apparently it has the upgrade .

But is the P320 still firing when not intended to by the operator on these upgraded pistols ?

Is my pistol safe ?
This came up on my YouTube algorithm today
 

Canadian military won't restrict new handgun in aftermath of U.S. fatality​


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https://ottawacitizen.com/public-se...rict-new-handgun-in-aftermath-of-u-s-fatality
 
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