The Smart Gun Doesn’t Exist for the Dumbest Reasons

The Smart Gun Doesn’t Exist for the Dumbest Reasons

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Interesting read. I can only imagine the mental gymnastics necessary for anti-gun folks to actually be funding gun research.

I'm surprised that the efforts seem to be focusing on handguns, which are the ones most associated with the need for immediate use, when rifles would be the more obvious starting point. Simpler mechanism, more room in the stock for electronics, less relied on for self defense, more likely to be embraced by someone more concerned about unauthorized access.

Even the AR-15 would be a better place to start, because the grip provides generous room for electronics, and the design already allows for interference with the safety mechanism through the grip.

By focusing on handguns, they are focusing on the most difficult conceivable engineering challenge first. Its almost like they don't want to find a solution.
 
This is hardly a new idea.

Back in the early 80's a company made a device that would only allow a handgun to be fired by a person wearing a special ring. I believe it was called the "Magna-trigger".

It was initially installed on revolvers, but was being developed for semi auto as well.

It did get a lot of press in the various gun magazines at the time, mostly positive, but I haven't heard anything about it since.
 
Humm, I seem to recall an invention that is very successful in nearly 100% of all manufactured firearms.

If my memory serves, it was call the trigger lock.

Don't quote me on that, my memory has been foggy as of late.

(Obvious sarcasm and lol factor)
 
This is exactly right - a couple of manufacturers tried to have a gun with a ring safety on it but it quickly became evident that they didn't work and hackers could fire the gun without the ring:

https://www.wired.com/story/smart-gun-fire-magnets/

I remember reading one review of a smart gun prototype that made its way around that certainly was not very flattering. Not withstanding reliability of the locking mechanism, and hackability, the gun, a sub compact, weighed more than your average full sized gun, had a 25 lb trigger pull, and had fail to feed and fail to eject stoppages approximately 1 per magazine, which only held 8 shots.

In order to be a truly successful product, it not only needs to work, but it needs to be a good gun.

Lastly, dare I be so bold, has anyone seen any of the smart gun advocates offer any attempt at an analysis to show just how much an affect on gun deaths smart gun technology can have?

Since no one is talking about retrofitting existing firearms, if we assumed the best case scenario that all guns made from 2020 onwards were 'smart' In another 50 years the percentage of all guns being smart guns would likely be half at most. What percentage of all of americas firearms death are as a result of unauthorized access to someone else's firearms without the involvement of the gun owner?

Certainly there are a lot of children who are accidentally shot after incidental finding of a parents firearm. Whats that number? Presumably with universale smart gun technology it would be largely reduced to zero. Which certainly is something worth talking about.

The main article mentions Sandy Hook, but if Lanza is willing to murder his own mother to gain access to her firearms, then presumably he would have no trouble access the watch or whatever 'key' was needed for the firearms. And even if he couldn't, there would have needed to be only one non-smart gun in the cabinet and he would have found what he is looking for. So even in some fantastical future with near ubiquitous smart guns, unless you are talking about Orwellian level eradication of the existing stock of dumb guns, determined maniacs like Lanza will always be able to find a way.

If there is a market for this gun, industry will eventually find a way. But for the smart gun advocates, Id love to know if anyone actually did the math to credibly estimate just many lives it could possibly save. That way we can take the next logical step to determine if we can achieve the same goal by some other, smarter, means. Perhaps like following the CDC recommendation from 20 years ago that suggested maybe we don't leave loaded firearms unlocked and accessible to small children.
 
It does not exist because it simply does not work

Shawn

This is not true, existing technical problems will be overcome. I would say it doesn't exist because it is a terrible idea and there is no demand in the market for it. The only people who want smart guns are the people who don't own guns.


Mark
 
This is not true, existing technical problems will be overcome. I would say it doesn't exist because it is a terrible idea and there is no demand in the market for it. The only people who want smart guns are the people who don't own guns.


Mark

If they have to be overcome they do not work, so yes it its 100% true it does not work. Not to mention it does not work from a technical, use or safety stand point as well, so again it is true. Until all three are solved my statement stands

Shawn
 
For a smart gun to exist reliably, the conventional notion of a gun has to first be dismantled. No moving parts, minimal weight and low-to-zero recoil. In other words, a laser gun a la star wars/trek.
 
It does not exist because it simply does not work

Shawn

I guess that depends on who you are and what you define as 'work'. Do an anti-gun enthusiast, smart guns that do not function to the satisfaction of the owner are probably 'working' just fine.

Me personally, I am thinking that as the logical anti evolution of the gun ban is the knife ban, I am going to be looking into this whole smart knife thing... lol.
 
Certainly there are a lot of children who are accidentally shot after incidental finding of a parents firearm. Whats that number? Presumably with universale smart gun technology it would be largely reduced to zero. Which certainly is something worth talking about.

If I remember correctly based on 20 year data, on average there are 340 deaths involving children between 5 to 14 years of age and firearms a year in the U.S.
 
If they have to be overcome they do not work, so yes it its 100% true it does not work. Not to mention it does not work from a technical, use or safety stand point as well, so again it is true. Until all three are solved my statement stands

Shawn

There have been smart gun designs that certainly do work, if unsatisfactorily from a gun owner's standpoint.


Mark
 
once these are actually instituted into firearms, you'll see lawsuits every single time one doesn't work and a gunowner is hurt or killed because they couldn't get it to work. Unlike the attempts by the anti gun people, who file lawsuits over the criminal misuse of firearms, the lawsuits from people harmed when a gun doesn't work will actually make it through the courts and the makers will pay huge.
 
ELI5 : What benefits does/would a smart gun have over a normal gun?

A: THERE ARE NO BENEFITS!

a1a- If people can open the latest samsung galaxy phone with a PICTURE of you , how safe are u dumbasses who run FACE IT bs.
a1b- If my S.O. can open my phone with a thumbprint (iphone with touch ID , if u wanna be technical) WHILE im sleeping, how safe is the "smart gun"
a1c- If people were so inclined to fight you, and wanted to kill , what would stop them from using a cigar cutter on ur finger, and use ur own gun against you.
a1d- If your hands were sweaty/greasy/swollen/dirty/dry/too humid/etc , and your gun wouldnt activate when you needed it most, WHAT TYPE OF GUN DO YOU HAVE? **everyone on CGN please repeat the answer**

EDIT : original above not edited, just ED note, a1a- should read "who run FACE ID bs."
 
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