The SRV2 Grizzly Thread, .308, manufactured by BCL, Distributed by North Sylva
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That discussion of high round count and battle field does not make any sense at all. Why spend money on a $1,800 gun when you shoot thousands of rounds threw it, easily costing way more than the gun. If you spend that much on ammo, buy a battle rifle platform.
Makes hella sense. Some of us are high volume shooters and don’t want disposable firearms. 10/22’s aren’t battle rifle platforms but they’ll bang out 50k rounds without a catastrophic failure. It’s not too much to ask for a centerfire rifle capable of shooting 10k rounds over its lifetime before it craps out. (Following Proper Maintenance of course)
Firearms shouldn’t go the way of new vehicles where longevity isn’t a factor.
i think what he is saying is that if you intend to use it for more than hunting duty and put tens of thousands of rounds through it per year then realize you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on ammunition and should be prepared to make a similar investment in the actual rifle.
that extra money you spend on the expensive rifles goes into better design, better metallurgy, more testing, etc. nothing is free. add to that the rush to get the firearms approved, out the door, and in your hands before the next ban drops and i think more than a few issues make it to market and we become the beta testers.
and i have a winchester 100 semi 308 that can't shoot over 10 rounds reliably without cleaning. made by winchester. in america. go figure. and you'll have about the same luck with a remington 740. made by remington. in america. go figure. just because it is black doesn't make it a black rifle. black rifles have multi-million dollar military contracts to support them. get tested on actual battlefields. and even then have issues.
that extra money you spend on the expensive rifles goes into better design, better metallurgy, more testing, etc. nothing is free. add to that the rush to get the firearms approved, out the door, and in your hands before the next ban drops and i think more than a few issues make it to market and we become the beta testers.
and i have a winchester 100 semi 308 that can't shoot over 10 rounds reliably without cleaning. made by winchester. in america. go figure. and you'll have about the same luck with a remington 740. made by remington. in america. go figure. just because it is black doesn't make it a black rifle. black rifles have multi-million dollar military contracts to support them. get tested on actual battlefields. and even then have issues.
A problem with the domestic-produced offerings for 5.56 (and now .308) modern rifles is that a lot of Canadians who are ending up buying them are low-volume shooters (weekend warriors at the gravel pit or shooting competition); the rifle will chew 200 to 300 rounds over the course of maybe a year with a chance for a hiccup/malfunction to occur, and the consumer now swears nothing but reliability, until they have to file a warranty claim.
Until the OIC is lifted, the domestic makers either need to produce options on-par with other examples in its category (in this instance; RFB, Tavor 7, if you wanna talk banned stuff, STAG10, XCR-M, M305 maybe??) or risk having their doors only open by selling shelf-warmer SKUs nobody's lining for, as harsh as that sounds.
This is the exact (poorly worded) mentality that I'm talking about. If you're spending a good amount of money on a firearm, what would/could be someone's primary rifle, it shouldn't need life support when the round count milage ticks over what you spent on the rifle, nor should it need meticulous treatment and attention to continue functioning on the journey of putting rounds through it.
The CRUX is a good example of what I'm talking about, but nobody is ever gonna put that many rounds through one without needing to cash in on Crusader's lifetime warranty.
My point exactly; the designs we see in good/quality rifles today plateaued decades ago, it comes down to how well the design is executed. AR15s today are produced much faster, and at such a scale that they're much more affordable than they're counterparts sold in the 1980s.
Now that the Canadian 180Cs have both a 5.56 and .308 footprint, all it takes is someone to improve on the homework that's been done for them, or current manufacturers work out all the gremlins and promise "we fixed it this time, trust us".
I want to be hopeful for the Grizzly, I really do, because it's the type of rifle I want to add to my current roster.
But given the track record of the Siberian's performance (not crazy for the naming scheme going on) I'm not gonna hold my breath before review videos trickle out; "first impressions" only count on dates and job interviews.
I didn't intend any of this to sound and feel so negative, or be targeted in anyway, and I've been going on long enough. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
Maybe my post is poorly worded but at least it makes sense, unlike your long elaborations which are, quite frankly, not very clear.
I see it quite often here on this forum, new member, 10 posts, and tell everybody how it is.
I see it quite often here on this forum, new member, 10 posts, and tell everybody how it is.
It's been, what, maybe a month or so since Sylva's announcement? And we havent seen any more news or updates on the Grizzly, I'm hoping BCL is letting it bake a while longer so they don't botch the launch and release it under-baked. Really hoping the Grizz delivers on the good I've heard it's cousin, the BCL102Mk7, out of the limited things I've heard about it.
