The "starter rifle" conundrum.

chuck nelson

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We see these questions quite often when some son or daughter is ready to start hunting. It comes up when someone new to the sport comes along. They want advice on brand, cartridge selection, colour, LOP, and it usually comes with the caveat that it has to be cheap, er, inexpensive. All this with the idea that an upgrade can come later. In either component or rifle.

Then come the suggestions and oh boy do they come. Everyone has a favourite. Then people get mad, some rifles are offended and at least one or two of the participants pick up their bullets and go home. There are suggestions that go way above what was asked for, there are suggestions for the Remchester pre package disposables. Savage gets thrown in there (after all they all shoot better than their 12 year old owners can).

A cartridge fight is mixed in with the above. This is where the tales really start to flow. You know the ones about dainty whitetails taking broad side hits with 243's and then, with gun in hand, you watch him run into next season. There was blood, hair, and part of an ego left behind and now it's the cartridges fault. So too small is no good, those cartridges are only for the "experts". Annie Oakley types that can pick their targeted blood vessel and kill with surgical precision. So we need to go bigger, but we don't want to create a flinch! Don't you remember little Johny shooting his first deer with Uncle Bart's 30-06. Those heavy 180 gr loads crossed his eyes and he has never seen straight since.

So what do we do?

There are a few that come to the discussion shouting used, used, go used. I fall into that camp. It is where I started. I got a quality rifle at a great price and it still works 27 years later. As a bonus, it can be sold tomorrow for more than it was purchased for.

I've been on a casual search for a "starter rifle" for my oldest son for a while now. He is approaching the minimum age for hunting, and it's time. I have a good friend who was also looking with one eye for something suitable. As luck would have it, he found something that might just do the trick. While purchasing a rimfire from an older gentleman who's hunting days were behind him his main hunting rifle for the last 35 years was brought to the table. A 1978 tang safety Ruger that had received a Douglas fwt 277 barrel and Brown Precision stock in the early 80's. The Rams on the wall bore witness to it's intended use. The asking price was $800 which included the Leupold M8 6X scope. He bought it on the spot knowing he had nothing to lose.

He brought it home, shot a group with it that would make something 1/2" look large. As a testament to his generosity a deal was brokered with a financing plan for the young lad included. Now it resides here, and even with it's 35 years experience it would easily have 35 more in it. It can be rebarreled forever, but as it is can hunt anything in Alberta.

So look around. Don't settle for a compromise, or maybe look closer at something everyone else is telling you is a compromise. Ignore the blueing wear and the dings in the stock. That just means it's been a trusted friend that knows how to hunt.



 
While $800 seems like a good deal, most first time buyers would cawff trying not to spend that.

That's a sweet package and the Leupold scope makes it a great package.
I have a Ruger here in 308win that won't go anywhere quick.
Blessed shooters should stay close to home.
 
Chuck, that is just great!! Definitely a keeper, and the lad will be well-equipped for whatever he may hunt.

Looks like it lacks nothing in the accuracy arena.

Regards, Dave.
 
Old builds ( and not so old builds) can be some of the best deals around if you have the same ideas as the first owner. Depending on what model it was built on, he might be able to recover the price of a new factory rifle, or the price of the parts or maybe 1/2 of what it would cost to build. For the right gun, and the right buyer it can be great.

A fly in the ointment is these deals are best for the buyer who knows what he is doing, or has the benefit of a guru friend or two to guide him through the process and knows his guns and his prices. The sort of guy who doesn't need to go on an Internet forum looking for advice in the first place.
 
Buying used for new shooters can be a giant pain in the keister. No trader rating on CGN, maybe you don't know any handy shooters that you trust, who knows if a certain gun is a good deal, etc. It's just so much less brain pain to buy new. Fill in a web form, and poof, done.

Right now I'm recommending the Ruger American/Redfield Revolution combo in 30-06. Cabelas for $720.

Ask a new shooter "what rifles fit you?" and they will reply "Fit? What the heck is that?!?"
 
Tradex has lots of gems for used rifles right now....some as low as $250, mostly '96 and '98 sporters but those are good hunting actions that can be tweaked as needed.
I'm into this 6.5x55 '96 for under $500 (including scope) which had a new medium/heavy already installed. Shoots dimes and a nice longer range field gun.
 
If it has the features you are looking for an older custom rifle can be a super bargain. Same as cars that guys pay $10,000 to customize and then sell for $6000. I have purchased a few for roughly 40% of what they cost to build. When customizing anything one should plan to keep it or accept the fact that you will never get your money spent back out of it. Looks like a great shooter there and a nice looking rifle to boot.
 
Chuck,That is a heck of a good deal. I like the tang safety M77's better than the newer ones even though it is controlled round feed.(I also like old 700's). In my opinion the brown is probably still the best of the aftermarket stocks or at least as good as the best in less you want something prepainted in some camouflage pattern. It is a shooter and in a great caliber.

Neil
 
Why didn't anyone save their "starter rifle" from decades ago to use for this purpose of having their children learn? I know I hated it, but I saved it anyways, after they carry it for a while then they will be allowed to borrow one of my current rifles and will appreciate it that much more.
 
I agree with you. From my limited experience I say save your money and by something you'll be happy with for a very long time (looks and performance). I went the cheaper route for my first rifle and in the end I'm ending up with a custom rifle. The only thing that's original is the action.
 
Why didn't anyone save their "starter rifle" from decades ago to use for this purpose of having their children learn? I know I hated it, but I saved it anyways, after they carry it for a while then they will be allowed to borrow one of my current rifles and will appreciate it that much more.

Exactly and its what I did as well. Good advice.

My son's don't know how good they have it with the rifles they will be handed to start with.
 
Buying used for new shooters can be a giant pain in the keister. No trader rating on CGN, maybe you don't know any handy shooters that you trust, who knows if a certain gun is a good deal, etc. It's just so much less brain pain to buy new. Fill in a web form, and poof, done.

Right now I'm recommending the Ruger American/Redfield Revolution combo in 30-06. Cabelas for $720.

Ask a new shooter "what rifles fit you?" and they will reply "Fit? What the heck is that?!?"

I think this pretty much sums it up when dealing with someone buying a rifle for themself the first time. Buying a used anything is a bit of a risky gamble when you have limited knowledge of the subject, at least with a new gun you can be reasonably sure it will work when you take it out the first time.
 
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