The "starter rifle" conundrum.

I just read though that newbie sticky thread, and it's great and all, but it's also quite obsolete in the rifle department.

The budget/entry level rifle landscape has changed drastically in the last 5 years.

No mention of:

Weatherby Vanguard
Ruger American
Savage Axis
Tikka T3 (though these are badly priced, for an entry level rifle)
...and others that won't pop into my head.

And the Stevens 200 is included. No such thing for a good while now.

Also the optics section needs to mention the new Leupold owned Redfield.
 
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My first centerfire rifle when I was about 13 years old was a Win M70 in 30.06. My Dad purchased or loaded bullets in 125 gr soft points for hunting. When I was bigger I shot 165gr and as an adult I shot 180gr ever since. One rifle and I've had it my entire life and still use it for hunting. I've had it over 35 years.


My point is, just because someone is small or a beginner you don't have to buy a rifle that will become substandard at a later date. Pick a useful caliber that can be picked up in various weight loads and you will never have to replace your rifle.
 
I just read though that newbie sticky thread, and it's great and all, but it's also quite obsolete in the rifle department.

The budget/entry level rifle landscape has changed drastically in the last 5 years.

No mention of:

Weatherby Vanguard
Ruger American
Savage Axis
Tikka T3 (though these are badly priced, for an entry level rifle)
...and others that won't pop into my head.

And the Stevens 200 is included. No such thing for a good while now.

Also the optics section needs to mention the new Leupold owned Redfield.

Maybe Chucks post would be a good addition to the thread, if he want's to copy it to there too. Always good to have resources for new hunters. :)
 
My first rifle was nothing like this. I lacked the knowledge and experience to know what quality was. If only my 18 year old self knew what I know now... Your son is fortunate, as is the rifle to fall into hands who appreciate it. Good luck with it!
 
A "starter rifle" means different things to different people.

Many of us started hunting with our Dad's (at least back in my early years no women hunted - at least none that you knew). In November Dad would haul me out of school for a week to go Deer hunting - that was "normal" (today the school would probably call for some time with a councilor to deal with the trauma he was trying to inflict upon such a young, impressionable child).

Because of that (the taking hunting part, not the trauma :)) I was "destined" to continue hunting throughout my life. So for "ME" or someone in my circumstance, it's "worth" spending "more" rather than "less" bucks on a "starter rifle" - I continued to use my (first) rifles and shotguns for 40 years before I decided they should be retired (ok, the glossy ads got to me).

But since I sell guns at work I also see a second type of "starter rifle" crowd. This is often the guy in his 20's that is being introduced to hunting by a few of his buddies that have been hunting for years, mentored by their Dad's. This guy may have grew up in the city with parents that didn't want to scar him from life so he wasn't even allowed a cap gun.

This "new to hunting guy" doesn't know if he will like it or stick with it. He may also not have any inclination as to why a Tikka is a better long term option than a Rem 783 - one is on the shelf for 1K the other, including a scope for 400'ish bucks. And I often hear that conversation between the new hunter and his buddies.

They are trying to steer him to something a little beyond "entry level" (cheap) and he is pushing back that he doesn't want to spend that much money.

And many "opinions" get formed by what the buyer is willing to spend. If they will spend no more than 500 bucks, all in for a rifle and glass they will swear up and down that Rifle X is just as good, just as accurate, just as fast/strong etc as Rifle Y that is obviously a waste of money because it cost's 2 or 3 times as much.

So my opinion for a "starter rifle" is, IF you want to create a hunter/shooter "for life", their "starter gun" should last for life - at least the first one. If they want some "trial rifles" in various calibers as their interest grows, that's when you pick up the "economical choices", knowing you always have your work horse in the stable.

And remember. When going into a gun shop with a specific caliber in mind, don't stop at a public washroom on the way in. Because the guy coming in for a 270 for deer hunting, after doing all his research and knowing it's all he "needs" may just get curious at the urinal and glance over to the next stall. That usually results in them approaching the gun counter and promptly asking the clerk if they can see the available models chambered in 300 Win Mag :)
 
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I just read though that newbie sticky thread, and it's great and all, but it's also quite obsolete in the rifle department.

The budget/entry level rifle landscape has changed drastically in the last 5 years.

No mention of:

Weatherby Vanguard
Ruger American
Savage Axis
Tikka T3 (though these are badly priced, for an entry level rifle)
...and others that won't pop into my head.

And the Stevens 200 is included. No such thing for a good while now.

Also the optics section needs to mention the new Leupold owned Redfield.


Bartledan is correct. "Cheap" bolt actions today are pretty accurate and reliable. You can easily get something decent for not too much money. Its come a long way in recent years.
 
Back in the '60s, my 1st rifle was a $25 Lee Enfield .303
(and, with my dad's training, I had no problem putting 5 bullets in a 5 inch circle at 100 yds with its iron sights under field conditions)

Now, I recommend almost anything chambered in 7mm-08

When my youngest son will be old enough, I will gift him one of my Kimber Classics ..
either in .243 or 7mm-08, whatever he will be most comfortable with.

(And when he is older, if he has the .243, then then I will give him my spare Kimber barrel in .308)
 
But since I sell guns at work I also see a second type of "starter rifle" crowd. This is often the guy in his 20's that is being introduced to hunting by a few of his buddies that have been hunting for years, mentored by their Dad's. This guy may have grew up in the city with parents that didn't want to scar him from life so he wasn't even allowed a cap gun.

This "new to hunting guy" doesn't know if he will like it or stick with it. He may also not have any inclination as to why a Tikka is a better long term option than a Rem 783 - one is on the shelf for 1K the other, including a scope for 400'ish bucks. And I often hear that conversation between the new hunter and his buddies.

They are trying to steer him to something a little beyond "entry level" (cheap) and he is pushing back that he doesn't want to spend that much money.

And many "opinions" get formed by what the buyer is willing to spend. If they will spend no more than 500 bucks, all in for a rifle and glass they will swear up and down that Rifle X is just as good, just as accurate, just as fast/strong etc as Rifle Y that is obviously a waste of money because it cost's 2 or 3 times as much.

So my opinion for a "starter rifle" is, IF you want to create a hunter/shooter "for life", their "starter gun" should last for life - at least the first one. If they want some "trial rifles" in various calibers as their interest grows, that's when you pick up the "economical choices", knowing you always have your work horse in the stable.

While I agree that for some people spending $1000 on a rifle and then another $600+ on glass isn't a big deal, but for many people it puts the sport out of their reach. Everyone on this site for the most part already loves guns and knows it is something they will do for life, but a guy testing the waters is a different beast. The last thing I'd want to do is make a guy feel bad because he can't drop big money on fine wood, deep blueing, and a gold ring on his scope.

I'd also be hesitant to have too many friends that pushed me to spend more money than I am comfortable/budgeted spending.
 
Shooting is not a cheap sport. Even entry level rifles with decent glass and a few boxes of commercial ammo will run you $500 to $1000. If a person wants to enter into the "sport", I always recommend buying the best they can afford, or buy a good quality used rifle. Why? because cheap is cheap. There is no sense buying a low grade rifle that you'll want to quickly sell for something better. In my experience, you will loose 25-30% of what you paid, even if you sell a barely used rifle that is only a few months old. If I were to do it all over again, I would save save save and buy the very best I can afford.
 
But since I sell guns at work I also see a second type of "starter rifle" crowd. This is often the guy in his 20's that is being introduced to hunting by a few of his buddies that have been hunting for years, mentored by their Dad's. This guy may have grew up in the city with parents that didn't want to scar him from life so he wasn't even allowed a cap gun.


Funny you should mention that. Many of my son's friends came from gunless families that were at best neutral and not in any way supportive. They had a lot of interest though, and waited until they were 18 to get their PALs and RPALs but getting their licences and buying guns was practically the first thing they did when they could.
 
A starter centerfire rifle can be a used Handi rifle, lever action, or pump. It can also be a Sporterized Lee Enfield. Many of them are available in nice professionally modded versions with scope for a couple hundred bucks. Barrel and receiver sights can be starter rifle sights as well. I wouldn't give a new anything to a 16 year old driver why suggest the same to a new hunter as standard procedure?

I suspect many on here started with a pellet gun, then 22, and a Lee Enfield with no harm to them but maybe to some deer.

I suggest a caliber that has been around for at least 50-75 years and stocked at Canadian Tire. Instead of a $600 scope buy lots of ammo and learn how to sight in a rifle properly. Shoot a few hundred rounds with the new rifle before aiming at a deer. Get a 22 or pellet gun with similar sights and shoot even more. Start learning to scout game territory and find a mentor. Good advice for anyone asking about his first gun.

In all honesty the first rifle should be a pellet gun or 22. Most shooters don't shoot their hunting rifle anywhere near enough to be current.
 
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