The Truth Behind the Great G36 Controversy

Anyone with any time behind the G36 knows that its a good rifle, as a "lefty" it was very "lefty" friendly. Daily maintenance is simple, wipe down the BCG and re-lube, scrub the piston, and reassemble. Accuracy was typical battle rifle, and operation was smooth and easy. I used a G36K with the Knights rail and BUIS with an Aimpoint and had no problems shooting MOA @ 100. I didn't care for the 3X optical sight but that's a personal thing.
 
Just to add a few points about Ian’s review. The whole G36 controversy started well before 2012. The date he refers to is more in line of when it hit the news in the US gun world.

Der Spiegel News paper, and few other sources started the G36 controversy back as of the mid 2000’s (2004-2006) but actually earlier. I use to have a few clippings about it. It was on another leftest internet site that gained traction and another news paper in Germany before it hit the Speigel.
 
Most reliable combat rifle in testing. Only the AK 74 and SG550 came close to the reliability in testing at HK and the G36 beat both of them. American jumped all over this story, they hate it when someone / other country builds a better combat rifle than they have.
Reminds me of back in 1986 when the Valet / Gaili was performing the best in Canadian Forces trials (especially in the Arctic) but was dropped for Political / Optics reasons.

Rich
 
I believe it was a proving grounds test in Arizona back in the day where over 26,000 rounds were fired from a G36 without a single failure.
 
had the chance to use Bundeswehr G36 when visiting the german reservists a couple years back. It's a very ergonomic rifle that does exactly what it's supposed to.

BUT: the bulky magazines suck big time and the optic that the Bundeswehr ordered is crap. Also I didn't like the weight distribution much. But then again: it does what it was ordered for.
 
Here’s the truth - and because I’m sick of a certain dealer here deleting my posts. Yep, the same guys who took your Mateba money and never delivered:

1. Free parts kits for G36s retail for 800 euros. BS Walther Lothar barrels and US repro bolts maybe another grand or so on top.
2. Said dealer is making 3x to 4x on your money. Business is business BUT
3. You are paying for a non matching, non factory genuine HK that’s merely assembled from HK parts. Kinda like buying a non matching Lee or K98.
4. Said dealer is also staging prices to maximize sales and artificially limiting stock. Could be the distributors, but they are doing you no favours.
5. These Frankenrifles are not investment grade. You might eventually get genuine HK barrels and bolts, but, again, the FCG serial will not match the receiver serial. Newer G36s also come with serialized bolts.

Delete this with your dishonest money grab by suppressing information. Buyers beware.
 
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This dealer that’s importing HK G36 parts kits has already ordered and received exactly 200 US made reproduction bolt heads from GSG9 (little inside info), and he doesn’t sell bolt heads separately, so it’s safe to assume he has, or is getting 200 G36 parts kits. So when he say “only a couple rifles available”, to create rarity, he mean only a couple hundred.
 
It ought to be obvious to any serious collector of HK products that the dealer in question is selling G36 Parts Kits assembled into functioning rifles. Why else would they be offering the rifles with inferior, non-HK Barrels and Bolts? If the importer had access to the German-controlled Firearms components (eg. Barrel and Bolt), they would have provided genuine HK parts to complete the parts kits into rifles in the first place. Since then, they have evidently obtained a batch of genuine HK Barrels, which they are offering as a more expensive "option" to the Lothar-Walther Barrels that were already assembled onto the 200 imported Receivers. The importer can't sell the rifles as genuine HK throughout, let alone serial-number-matching, final-proofed G36s - hence the lower pricing. They obviously don't care if they artificially depress the Canadian G36 Collector's market so long as they are still making a 300-400% profit on their imported NR G36 Parts Kits...

Glad I sold my all-German G36 back while the market was still healthy...
 
SteelFlint said:
Here’s the truth - and because I’m sick of a certain dealer here deleting my posts. Yep, the same guys who took your Mateba money and never delivered:

1. Free parts kits for G36s retail for 800 euros. BS Walther Lothar barrels and US repro bolts maybe another grand or so on top.
2. Said dealer is making 3x to 4x on your money. Business is business BUT
3. You are paying for a non matching, non factory genuine HK that’s merely assembled from HK parts. Kinda like buying a non matching Lee or K98.
4. Said dealer is also staging prices to maximize sales and artificially limiting stock. Could be the distributors, but they are doing you no favours.
5. These Frankenrifles are not investment grade. You might eventually get genuine HK barrels and bolts, but, again, the FCG serial will not match the receiver serial. Newer G36s also come with serialized bolts.

Delete this with your dishonest money grab by suppressing information. Buyers beware.
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I am waiting for two more $2000.00 price drops before purchasing
 
Why did anyone think that you could take a combat rifle and dump beta C mag after beta C mag through it without problems.
What's the average load-out of a Soldier patrolling in a Combat zone?
Normal AR15 FOW's gas tube melts and collapses way prior to the G36 trunnion melting.

Rich
 
3500$ for an aftermarket assembled g36 would sell very well.
8000$ for an aftermarket assembled g36 will not sell very well.

You make up your margins on volume.
 
I am a HK fan boy so I am taking HK side. however, I am also AR 15 fan so Please don’t kill me for this.
Well, G 36 E is a good light standard infantry rifle. however, it’s not a SAW. Especially micro carbine (G36C )which is almost as same as PDW or SmG. It ain’t built for that kind of use.
i think this Las Vegas guy did a lot mag dumps with M4 and got a way with it so he Probably think he can get away with G36c ( easy mistake, a lot pro learn this way).
M 4 or M16 is F### better to handle heat ( aluminium upper and lower can spread heat. Like a frying pan “ I cook for living haha” ).
If you check out US SOCOM M4 and Regular Joe M4 barrel profile they are different under the and guard because some 4 letter SF guys use M4 with C mag like SAW and blew the p### out of barrels doing Break contact drill ( I never understand why they keep calling it “the door” , it’s RV point for me )
Lesson one : don’t use a light infantry rifle as M249 or ultra max.
Lesson two : please Go watch forgotten weapon about G11. HK did what they asked to built. They know their shXx
Lesson three: if I did few mag dump with G 36c with C mag. I will be worrying about cook off a way more than melting ( again HK is a good company , they know how to make barrels)
 
Rich LPS said:
Why did anyone think that you could take a combat rifle and dump beta C mag after beta C mag through it without problems.
What's the average load-out of a Soldier patrolling in a Combat zone?
Normal AR15 FOW's gas tube melts and collapses way prior to the G36 trunnion melting.

Rich
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Yes, you are correct but most of US SF guys in mid 90 think that way ( the same people running around with MP 5 and 14.5 inches carbine in f ing Desert so who knows. Unfortunately, they did it again in Africa {RIP 4 shooters}. others rolling with 20 inches or 308 ).
12 mags ( about 5 minutes ) or all of them , how many I can carry ?
Yes you are correct but sometime barrel bust fist too.
 
I think the truth of this is probably somewhere in between. BAAINBw, based on how things are turning out, is the epitome of what defence procurement goes wrong all the time.

They have tried to replace G36 since 2015, and it hasn't happened yet because they wrote unrealistic specifications expected of minimal costs and zero investment. They ended up going back to re-write the requirements ( like our own DND tortured pistol replacement program ) Sounds familiar.....and HK won the 2017 law suit because the judge ruled that German government did not write the spec that it accused HK of not fulfilling concerning G36.

Between the official study engaged by the German government, troop reports and the other half a dozen youtube videos of people blasting G36, anecdotes abound G36 works but obviously some concerns did come up with the 176000 G36 sitting in bundeswehr inventory. Other than the study made by German government which was not available to us, I haven't seen any one doing any accuracy test, like 150 round/10 round sustained fire/accuracy test.

But the fact that the German government had been sitting on this since 2015 and 5 years had passed, and they still declared G36 as serviceable kinda casted some doubt on German's government study and their credibility. So either they are completely incompetent in urgent procurement or they really do not believe their own study.

Or it could be that certain batches of G36 in the inventory does have problems due to bad maintenance/material issue/long term breakdown undetected, but they wrote certain specifications demanding a low cost solution, so they just quietly rotate those out after their law suit got thrown out. Once they got the bad apples out, they take their sweet time and the urgent replacement is no longer really urgent.
 
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