- Location
- Iroquois Falls ON
Several YouTube videos about this gun. Interesting concept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hk6qIjw78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hk6qIjw78
The Ultimate Muzzleloader
- Thread starter Polar_Hunter
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Thousands of dollars to duplicate in pyrodex what a $600 Savage ML II does with 47 grains of smokeless. I'm thankful that most provinces don't have the silly restrictions on frontstuffers that this thing is clearly engineered to circumvent.
- Location
- Iroquois Falls ON
Traditional muzzle loaders do have a style that is very appealing but for hunting I would prefer one of the modern in-line guns. This one is my current favorite due to how easy it is to prime and unprime.
I hunt with a flintlock longrifle and its very rewarding and alot if fun. These things take all the sport out of muzzleloading season and should not be allowed for use in that season. They have more in common with a modern centerfire than they ever would with a front stuffer.
Cheers, McLean
Cheers, McLean
- Location
- Iroquois Falls ON
I understand your piont to a degree but not to the the extent that they should be disallowed for the muzzleloading hunt. That would be like an old time matchlock shooter argueing against the new flintlock or percussion cap. The in-lines are still a one shot, hit or miss your target, and then take your eyes off the target to reload. Far different than even a single shot cartridge rifle where you can reload while still keeping an eye on the target.
Come on... We see the hero shots braging about the 250 and 300 yard kills. Thats farther than a 30 30 should be used. Then add the smokeless powder versions, 3x9 or higher bullet drop compensating scopes, and you seriously think they have something in comom with Muzzle loading. Many Muzzle loading seasons get established because a ML is considered a short range weapon and safe in populated areas where a rifle is not. These inlines are going to shut down these seasons in the name of safety. Other seasons are granted because of the dificulty in getting into that close range, and the unreliable ignitions, again making the task harder to acomplish. The inline circumvents this quite well.
And so you know I am not against inlines, just against them being considered in the same season as a real Muzzle loader I do own a Remington 700 inline complete with a 3x9 scope. It is nothing like my Flinter or Percussion caps. It is very much like my remington 700 BDL , or SPS . I will not use it in Muzzle loader seasons, but I will take it out in the general season where modern rifles are the norm.
No problem. I believe there is also an area near grand Prairie , Saskatoon Mountain? that has ML, Shotgun and archery only.
Sooner or later residents will complain that these guns are no diferent from rifles, and these areas will be closed to all ML's. The loop Holes people create and take advantage of eventualy get pluged and we all loose.
The perception of a ML is a short range weapon, Todays inlines are a far cry from that. Check out the Bad Bull ML, and compare it's balistics to a 338 mag.
It is eye opening!! 3100 FPS and over 6 thousand foot pounds muzzle energy!!
http://badbullmuzzleloaders.com/
Sooner or later residents will complain that these guns are no diferent from rifles, and these areas will be closed to all ML's. The loop Holes people create and take advantage of eventualy get pluged and we all loose.
The perception of a ML is a short range weapon, Todays inlines are a far cry from that. Check out the Bad Bull ML, and compare it's balistics to a 338 mag.
It is eye opening!! 3100 FPS and over 6 thousand foot pounds muzzle energy!!
http://badbullmuzzleloaders.com/
- Location
- Iroquois Falls ON
I will agree that smokeless powder should be disallowed during a muzzleloader season. Black powder and lead ball would make an even playing field regardless of ingition system.
And iron sights.
The whole idea behind a black Powder muzzle loader season is due to it being a 1 shot, close range sport. Lets keep it that way and surely we can see more oportunity to enjoy it. If we keep pushing the limits and creating loopholes the seasons will be closed for all . Muzzle loading and Bow Hunting are suposed to be about getting close, not shooting far.
Pete
I'm sorry I have no issue with someone using a scope. I couldn't imagine my frustration with no longer being able to hunt with a muzzleloader just because I need a scope to shoot well enough to kill game quickly with a single shot from my muzzleloader.
...and thanks to the inexorable march of technology, the whole point, the entire reason for shooting a muzzle loading rifle has finally been relegated in total to the dustbin of history.
It's ironic.
What's next for muzzle loaders; perhaps some sort of concept for a self-contained package including ball, powder and ignition charge? Perhaps with a method for simpler loading as well, to obviate the need to ram the charge down the barrel?
*sigh*
It's ironic.
What's next for muzzle loaders; perhaps some sort of concept for a self-contained package including ball, powder and ignition charge? Perhaps with a method for simpler loading as well, to obviate the need to ram the charge down the barrel?
*sigh*
We are our own worst enemies again. Yeah , lets outlaw scopes, smokeless powder, inlines .... and the only thing allowed are traditionally crafted longbows and matchlocks. ffs
For the deers sake I want them well hit with a projectile that is going to kill quickly and humanely. Not some half-blind old coot trying to make hits with iron sights and an unreliable ball. ( Oh, can they use modern iron sights in your restricted world? ).
And 250 yards IS short range. The projectiles used need to dissipate their energy quickly in the interest of safety, and modern inlines do that as well as shotguns, in fact many of the ballistics are similar.
For the deers sake I want them well hit with a projectile that is going to kill quickly and humanely. Not some half-blind old coot trying to make hits with iron sights and an unreliable ball. ( Oh, can they use modern iron sights in your restricted world? ).
And 250 yards IS short range. The projectiles used need to dissipate their energy quickly in the interest of safety, and modern inlines do that as well as shotguns, in fact many of the ballistics are similar.
I love my Savage 10MLII. Low maintenance and very consistent shots. It is a muzzle loader, despite using smokeless powder. Everyone else seems like they are trying to develop a powder that is as good as smokeless (and we have seen countless attempts, pyrodex, 777, shockey gold, white magic or something like that). It's still a single shot and slow to reload. Just don't miss.
As I have noted elsewhere, I prefer the traditional rifles. I don't, however, have any interest in restricting those who prefer technology. Technology is why we aren't chasing deer around with a sharp stick. As for the scope issue, I totally get both sides of that argument. I am a "half blind old coot" (f**k you very much) but I have managed to put together a kit that works for me and still remain scope-free. A tang mounted peep sight does the job. With the appropriate aperture, I can see very well, and hit what I aim at. I don't take long shots, largely because I don't have to. It's called patience! YMMV.
Soooo, which is it?
And if you are refering to my post, first off (f**k you very much) , and secondly it was meant as a poke at myself as well as the other geezers here.
As I get older I find that a low powered scope gives me a much better view of the target and eliminates forcing my eyes to focus on different things. This technology translates to Mr.Deer having a much easier transition from the woods to the meat-pole!!
