The Ultimate North American Hunting Round?

Best North American Hunting Round

  • .270 Winchester

    Votes: 70 8.4%
  • .270 WSM

    Votes: 11 1.3%
  • .30-06

    Votes: 358 42.8%
  • .35 Whelen (tough to find, yes, but solid)

    Votes: 19 2.3%
  • 7mm Rem Mag

    Votes: 67 8.0%
  • .300 Win Mag

    Votes: 147 17.6%
  • .338 Win Mag

    Votes: 67 8.0%
  • .375 Mag (H&H or Ruger)

    Votes: 54 6.5%
  • .300 Ultra Mag (tough to find, but hard to argue with)

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • .300 WSM

    Votes: 35 4.2%

  • Total voters
    836
I rarely miss a chance to see what is available in hardware stores and gas stations. The cartridges you see over and over are: 270, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-30, 303, 308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag and that is it. Just another feather in the 300's cap, it is the most powerful readily available cartridge.

i ve done the same here and what i ve seen 303, 3030 and 3006. a little higher up north 22-250 and 243. no magnums.

maybe in Dawson you can found some 375, 300 and 338 but depending of the time of the year.

this spring ill do it again and report it here.
 
I just make certain I have enough ammo with me when I leave home.....the chances of a remote gas station having my preferred load is pretty slim regardless of cartridge. If I'm relying on buying ammo along the way...I likely shouldn't be out there.
 
I just make certain I have enough ammo with me when I leave home.....the chances of a remote gas station having my preferred load is pretty slim regardless of cartridge. If I'm relying on buying ammo along the way...I likely shouldn't be out there.

That tired, old; "what if you forget your ammo" argument is ridiculous...
 
It's pretty common for guys to forget their ammo or bring the wrong ammo.

On my way home from breakfast I stopped to see what was available:
7x 30-06 loads
5x 270
4x 30-30
2x 300 Win Mag
1x 303
1x 308
1x 7mm Rem Mag

Note these are different brands/types, not numbers of boxes.

A buddy of mine has an 8mm Rem Mag (and doesn't reload) and he has a terrible time finding ammo.
 
A couple years ago, I was in buying a tag and the guy in front of me was buying a rifle because he brought the wrong bolt for the one he brought with him.
 
A couple years ago, I was in buying a tag and the guy in front of me was buying a rifle because he brought the wrong bolt for the one he brought with him.

Having the "ultimate north american hunting round" would not have helped him at all in this situation. You can't cure stupidity
 
Having the "ultimate north american hunting round" would not have helped him at all in this situation. You can't cure stupidity

Same deal with ammo... forget the thing that achieves the purpose of your trip and your bigger problem is just surviving... your partners probably have to remind you to breath and not to hand feed the bears... Darwin had no shortage of human analogies...
 
I am quite admittedly one of the simpletons these days that buys ammo off the shelf a good deal, curiously it has yet to impact my hunting. Almost. I did get that one faulty round I took on my lion hunt in a box of Federal blue, really I consider it quite sporting of Federal to toss the odd defective round into a box of a chambering used with some frequency on dangerous game. Rather adds to the experience, that.

With a straight face I can also share I've forgotten equipment and even ammunition at home, and my IQ is reasonable. This is another reason I like ammunition commonality between guns, stash a box at home, at work, in the truck, and at camp and you're set for whatever rifle you pack.
 
I forgot my field glasses once, truth be told I'd rather I forgot my rifle.

To hunt everything in NA, guaranteed you will be seeing commercial air travel at some point, I have no idea what is available in Timbuktoyuktuk, but I'd lay money on it not being 358 Norma or 300 RUM.
 
With a straight face I can also share I've forgotten equipment and even ammunition at home, and my IQ is reasonable. This is another reason I like ammunition commonality between guns, stash a box at home, at work, in the truck, and at camp and you're set for whatever rifle you pack.

You'd better get out of that habit if you're going to start relying on a .375 Flanged.

I would be more concerned about the airline losing it or having it stolen than outright forgetting it. My biggest fear of flying is whether or not I'll see my luggage again at the other end.
 
Hell to further the confessions, I once forgot my passport when leaving for Alaska, and realized 1,000kms later.

The good news is memory is an appreciated but non-essential trait in my profession, in fact at times it's rather preferential to have a short memory and it's probably the only thing that keeps me doing it. But I digress.
 
You'd better get out of that habit if you're going to start relying on a .375 Flanged.

I would be more concerned about the airline losing it or having it stolen than outright forgetting it. My biggest fear of flying is whether or not I'll see my luggage again at the other end.


All part of the sport, there. No illusions about finding that one at African tire or even the PH's usually rather extensive collection of mixed rounds in old soup cans. It's sort of like most British things, including setting records in backwards walking and English sports cars and associated mechanical and positive ground electric systems; never intended to be straightforward, simple, or even sensible. I should probably have a personalized cigar brand I refuse to travel and hunt without, and a lucky monocle, as when all factors impossibly align you are guaranteed to have a proper sporting good time. When the odds are against you from the get go, all the more sport eh. At least we can rationalize anything on the internet, even one's own contradictions!

As a serious aside, look into SCI gun insurance, about the only reason I'm a member of SCI. For 1% they will insure literally any gun, anywhere, for almost every conceivable version of loss or damage. It's a policy actually designed to help travelling hunters rather than your typical insurance company mandate. Huge load off the mind, I don't even pay the bribes anymore! :p
 
I've been following and reading along and I think the entire point of this discussion has been lost or missed or assimilated into other issues. Where does it say that to be THE ultimate NA cartridge that it has to be readily available in the corner market. What does availability have to do with ballistics? If one had to select only one cartridge I think it would be a given that one must handload that cartridge to cover all the potential different venues that NA hunting can throw at you. I don't believe any cartridge qualifies with the restriction of available factory ammo. This is just a red herring thrown in by the 30-06 crew to support their unsupportable position. Yes I agree all NA game could be and has been hunted with a 30-06, that just means that it's cheap and popular, not necessarily the best tool for the job. The 30-06 is the "crescent wrench" of the hunting rifle world, it'll do in a pinch but not the best at anything.
This is why I put forward my recommendation earlier of the 340 Wby and I have used one extensively, I think any time we have included dangerous game such as the big bears and bison it immediately assumes we must jump up to a medium bore. This just gives you a greater chance of survival if everything goes for sh!t and you find yourself blood trailing a big old coastal bear through the devils club and alders of the rain forest. I'd personally feel a whole lot better with a 340 in my hands with 275 gn Swifts or Woodleighs in the tube. Now I have probably hunted as much as anyone on this forum and I don't know how so many experienced hunters can keep on saying "you just gotta put the bullet in the right place" ya, well no sh!t, but I can tell you that bullet doesn't always go where it was intended and it doesn't always hit the right place for many different reasons. This my friends is where the 270, 308 and 30-06 versatility falls apart, and I'm going to burst an old myth right now that has persisted in the hunting world for decades, and it is just pure BS. It has been said many times that bigger calibers don't make up for poorly placed shots and an animal gut shot with a 300 RUM won't die any faster than one gut shot with a 243 or 308..........Well gentlemen this is utter horse sh!t and I speak from a fairly high experience base. An animal smashed in the hind end with a 340 and a 250 Part does not react the same as if hit there with a 130 gn 270. I have ripped animals right out of their tracks with an ass on shot with the 340 and I would never even attempted the same shot with a 308, 270 or 30-06. There is also an underlying premise here that needs to be part of this consideration, if one is hunting the NA29 then one is obviously trophy hunting and this changes everything in the way one hunts. Shots are taken that meat hunters wouldn't attempt or would turn down to save more meat, not so with trophy hunting, and so calibers and cartridges are different if one wishes to have a greater level of success.
Another consideration that I would like to address is that of recoil, and say here and now, that if a hunter isn't willing to put in the time and effort to desensitize oneself to a certain level of recoil then maybe they have no right going after animals that prudence says the appropriate cartridges and calibers for that animal has that much recoil. As we all know such things are legislated in many African countries and the bottom line is if you find the minimum caliber to have too much recoil then "tough noogies" you don't get to hunt those animals, it's just that simple. Possibly the same restrictions should apply to the biggest and ugliest of the NA29 as well, and do in the case of bison in some jurisdictions. Recoil is something that anyone can deal with unless there is an injury or other reason that one physically cannot overcome, then there are devices such as muzzle breaks and recoil reducers which are very effective and will allow an injured or physically challenged person to still use an appropriate cartridge for the job at hand.
Although Ardent didn't see fit to include it in the initial poll (everybody forgets the Weatherby cartridges) I believe he would tend to agree that the 340, 338 RUM and even the 338 WM to a lesser degree are pretty tough to beat as a "one gun, do it all" choice. I think the 8mm RM falls short due to lack of bullet weight (and it also happens to be obsolete) and it really does nothing one can't do with a 300 Mag of one form or another. The 358 NM is another wonderful cartridge that shines in this light, and I would feel very, very confident hunting anything NA can throw at me with the 358 NM and my own properly assembled handloads, from sheep, goats and antelope to the big bears and bison the old girl would shine brightly.
Then we come to the .375 bore cartridges that need no more praise here. They of course can do it all with great aplomb and with the new lighter and more ballistically shaped bullets even the sheep, goat and antelope hunters shouldn't feel handicapped in the least.
I personally believe the list should start with the 300 WM and go up from there in power levels, and nothing below the level of the 300 should even be considered as an all around cartridge for every big game animal NA has to offer. JMHO and YMMV
 
I've been following and reading along and I think the entire point of this discussion has been lost or missed or assimilated into other issues. Where does it say that to be THE ultimate NA cartridge that it has to be readily available in the corner market. What does availability have to do with ballistics? If one had to select only one cartridge I think it would be a given that one must handload that cartridge to cover all the potential different venues that NA hunting can throw at you. I don't believe any cartridge qualifies with the restriction of available factory ammo. This is just a red herring thrown in by the 30-06 crew to support their unsupportable position. Yes I agree all NA game could be and has been hunted with a 30-06, that just means that it's cheap and popular, not necessarily the best tool for the job. The 30-06 is the "crescent wrench" of the hunting rifle world, it'll do in a pinch but not the best at anything.
This is why I put forward my recommendation earlier of the 340 Wby and I have used one extensively, I think any time we have included dangerous game such as the big bears and bison it immediately assumes we must jump up to a medium bore. This just gives you a greater chance of survival if everything goes for sh!t and you find yourself blood trailing a big old coastal bear through the devils club and alders of the rain forest. I'd personally feel a whole lot better with a 340 in my hands with 275 gn Swifts or Woodleighs in the tube. Now I have probably hunted as much as anyone on this forum and I don't know how so many experienced hunters can keep on saying "you just gotta put the bullet in the right place" ya, well no sh!t, but I can tell you that bullet doesn't always go where it was intended and it doesn't always hit the right place for many different reasons. This my friends is where the 270, 308 and 30-06 versatility falls apart, and I'm going to burst an old myth right now that has persisted in the hunting world for decades, and it is just pure BS. It has been said many times that bigger calibers don't make up for poorly placed shots and an animal gut shot with a 300 RUM won't die any faster than one gut shot with a 243 or 308..........Well gentlemen this is utter horse sh!t and I speak from a fairly high experience base. An animal smashed in the hind end with a 340 and a 250 Part does not react the same as if hit there with a 130 gn 270. I have ripped animals right out of their tracks with an ass on shot with the 340 and I would never even attempted the same shot with a 308, 270 or 30-06. There is also an underlying premise here that needs to be part of this consideration, if one is hunting the NA29 then one is obviously trophy hunting and this changes everything in the way one hunts. Shots are taken that meat hunters wouldn't attempt or would turn down to save more meat, not so with trophy hunting, and so calibers and cartridges are different if one wishes to have a greater level of success.
Another consideration that I would like to address is that of recoil, and say here and now, that if a hunter isn't willing to put in the time and effort to desensitize oneself to a certain level of recoil then maybe they have no right going after animals that prudence says the appropriate cartridges and calibers for that animal has that much recoil. As we all know such things are legislated in many African countries and the bottom line is if you find the minimum caliber to have too much recoil then "tough noogies" you don't get to hunt those animals, it's just that simple. Possibly the same restrictions should apply to the biggest and ugliest of the NA29 as well, and do in the case of bison in some jurisdictions. Recoil is something that anyone can deal with unless there is an injury or other reason that one physically cannot overcome, then there are devices such as muzzle breaks and recoil reducers which are very effective and will allow an injured or physically challenged person to still use an appropriate cartridge for the job at hand.
Although Ardent didn't see fit to include it in the initial poll (everybody forgets the Weatherby cartridges) I believe he would tend to agree that the 340, 338 RUM and even the 338 WM to a lesser degree are pretty tough to beat as a "one gun, do it all" choice. I think the 8mm RM falls short due to lack of bullet weight (and it also happens to be obsolete) and it really does nothing one can't do with a 300 Mag of one form or another. The 358 NM is another wonderful cartridge that shines in this light, and I would feel very, very confident hunting anything NA can throw at me with the 358 NM and my own properly assembled handloads, from sheep, goats and antelope to the big bears and bison the old girl would shine brightly.
Then we come to the .375 bore cartridges that need no more praise here. They of course can do it all with great aplomb and with the new lighter and more ballistically shaped bullets even the sheep, goat and antelope hunters shouldn't feel handicapped in the least.
I personally believe the list should start with the 300 WM and go up from there in power levels, and nothing below the level of the 300 should even be considered as an all around cartridge for every big game animal NA has to offer. JMHO and YMMV

^and there is it folks^
I quoted the whole thing again because it's worth reading twice.
A couple pages back I mentioned some folks should do more listenin' and less talkin' and when this guy talks ignoramuses should listen ;)
No, I'm not kissin his a$$, but the man does not spew bull$hit and talk out of his a$$ like alot of others on this forum, you can take what he says to the bank.
 
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