The ultimate utility gun (dream concepts)?

Kicks around in the truck, could take a bear or grouse, etc. ... sounds like my 870 Wingmaster - although that is probably not what everyone wants to hear.

Already carry a 12g, I spend more time in the bush than out. The big problem and shortcoming it has is no rifle reach, it's a very limited utility gun, and a very good survival gun. Add a rifle barrel in, weatherproof, shorter by far when folded than a pump, and it'd be what I'm after.
 
I have the ideal gun. Just waaay too expensive to use as you describe, and blued steel barrels. Krieghoff 16x16/7x57R drilling with .22 magnum insert in left shot barrel. Aluminum alloy receiver, and bout 6.5 lbs w/o the quick detachable scope. Versatile, accurate, deadly, and way too nice to beat up or let rust.
 
O/U 12 gauge with rifle sights so that one barrel can be sighted for slugs. Barrels around 22".

How much choke can a flare be shot through?
 
A break action like the Chiappa Triple. A 12 ga barrel, a 223 barrel that can use a 22 adapter and the 3rd barrel in 30-06. 22" long barrels with a marine cote finish and synthetic stocks. Sighting might be a problem, but with practice should be able to find a proper hold for each barrel.
 
What I've been thinking about is really nothing new, but it might pass as interesting. A #4 Lee Enfield parts gun, converted to a one piece fiberglass stock, retaining the 10 round magazine, and .303 chamber, but with a .308" bore rather than the traditional .311". All metal parts would be Cerakoted. Fitted with a 20" light contour barrel, and a barrel band front sight fitted with a rectangular post, the rifle would retain the ladder type rear sight with the folding battle ghost ring. There would be accommodation for mounting a scout scope ahead of the action. The rifle should prove to be quicker handling, and much more accurate, than your typical vandalized .303. As far as versatility goes, the .308" bore offers a much broader range of bullets than .311", from cast that can be loaded to 1600 fps for small game, 110-130 gr bullets with thin jackets suitable for coyotes and such, and both jacketed and mono-metal bullets suitably constructed for big game, ranging from 125 gr at 3000 fps to 220 gr at 2200. A good all around load might be a 150 gr TSX at 2700. Under hunting conditions I can't think of a North American hunting scenario this combination couldn't handle, with the possible exception of Yukon Bison. The ballistics are admittedly a little ho-hum, but they still fall within the useful range, providing a flat trajectory when loaded with a slippery bullet. The rifle should be a nice balance of accuracy, versatility, and power in a small package, that's surprisingly shooter friendly.
 
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Kicks around in the truck, could take a bear or grouse, etc. ... sounds like my 870 Wingmaster - although that is probably not what everyone wants to hear.

I hear you and I agree. For the OP's requirements a shotgun is the perfect choice. I usually work with a Marine Mag although it would be illegal for birds unless it was plugged to three. I don't think I have ever had to shoot a grouse at more than 15 yards so a centre fire seems a bit excessive but then again my eyesight isn't as good as it once was.
 
Given our current laws, I think the best overall utility gun (It's only short coming would be "Must Stop" large bear charges, and even then would be better then nothing) would be a Ranch Hand style gun in 45LC that can also chamber and feed .410 shot shells.
Gives you 5+1 capacity when loaded with .45LC and the ability to take small game with the .410
Hot loaded .45 out of the longer barrel would be sufficient for deer sized game at reasonable distance and would most likely pack enough punch for black bears but would be a bit on the small side for Browns or Grizzlys.

I Love my Rossi RH in .45 Colt but I often think that one with dubble tubes and a ported barrel; chambered in .500 S&W 4 rounds each tube for 8+1... Would be the bee's knees.
 
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While this might not be ideal I carry my socom 18 most places, but during the winter my ruger 77/44 rides around under my seat just because its stainless. I think if ruger put their scout in a synthetic stock I would probably buy one.
 
I hear you and I agree. For the OP's requirements a shotgun is the perfect choice. I usually work with a Marine Mag although it would be illegal for birds unless it was plugged to three. I don't think I have ever had to shoot a grouse at more than 15 yards so a centre fire seems a bit excessive but then again my eyesight isn't as good as it once was.

Already carry a 12 gauge, what I'm missing is the rifle ability. Had a Springfield M6 for a long time, and all I ever used was the rifle barrel practically. Just want an overgrown M6 really, it was a great gun.
 
actually after thinking about it for a while, my mosin m38 with synthetic stock would also fit the bill as a utility rifle as well. Its short, powerful and doesn't cost a lot of money. Around 500 for synthetic stock and gun. also ammo is fairly cheap at 299 for 1000 rounds!
 
Already carry a 12g, I spend more time in the bush than out. The big problem and shortcoming it has is no rifle reach, it's a very limited utility gun, and a very good survival gun. Add a rifle barrel in, weatherproof, shorter by far when folded than a pump, and it'd be what I'm after.

I don't own a .22mag rifle so I guess I'll ask...
How far can you reach out with a it? I could imagine it being more precise then a slug at 100 yards but wouldn't you need a longer barrel to get the most out of a .22mag?
What's the advantage of a .22mag over a center fire .22 in a utility gun?
 
.22 Mag is:

-Cheaper
-Far more compact (ten rounds of .223 is roughly the same bulk as 50 .22 Mag)
-No 16" is plenty for .22 Mag, in fact that is around where it peaks
-150 yard range is more than I need from a utility gun anyhow
-It's quieter, which is pleasant, especially for those odd shots you never have ear plugs for in time
-It doesn't tear massive holes in pelts
-I'm surprised you're not familiar with the round at all, it's one of the most popular rounds on the market


As for how far .22 Mag reaches, all up to the shooter, no problem connecting on gophers at 200. In my concept I just want 100 yards of rifle range for small game, and cheap to shoot and easy to pack a load of cartridges.
 
Reminds me of that, far too short for us mere peasants (plus unavailable), the Russian cosmonaut survival drilling. In 20x20x5.45mm. Can't have one here but we can dream about it.

PS: Chiappa has some newer M6 clones with a 20 or a 12 gauge barrel over 22 LR. Color me stupid but the caliber choice is pretty much perfect.
 
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.22 Mag is:

-Cheaper
-Far more compact (ten rounds of .223 is roughly the same bulk as 50 .22 Mag)
-No 16" is plenty for .22 Mag, in fact that is around where it peaks
-150 yard range is more than I need from a utility gun anyhow
-It's quieter, which is pleasant, especially for those odd shots you never have ear plugs for in time
-It doesn't tear massive holes in pelts
-I'm surprised you're not familiar with the round at all, it's one of the most popular rounds on the market


As for how far .22 Mag reaches, all up to the shooter, no problem connecting on gophers at 200. In my concept I just want 100 yards of rifle range for small game, and cheap to shoot and easy to pack a load of cartridges.

OK, I'm somewhat familiar as I have a few revolvers that will shoot .22mag but as I explained no rifles.

I was thinking about the savings on ammo size/weight and cost (not much on cost I guess if you reload) but then I didn't think the weight would be an issue for a truck/utility gun and beyond #### hits the fan who takes 50 rounds for a walk in the bush?
I was just curious based on your stated choice and desire to reach out.

Most Popular on the market? I guess you are referring to rimfire ammo?


People say 16" is about all a.22lr needs to make full use of the powder, so I thought perhaps the mag could use a little more barrel to reach out.
I suppose out to a hundred yards , on small game, the extra speed or energy is not really needed.

I've never tried a drilling gun. They do look like a classy tool for a walk in the woods.
 
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A combination gun from tradex in 22 hi-power over 12 ga can be had for 4-500 $. That may be too rich for many; but really, what does 500 $ buy any more?
Get a sub-cal adapter to 22 mag, shorten the bbls and Bob's your uncle. Remove the adapter insert a 22 hi-power and you can effectively reach out...300 yds?
 
Given your parameters, I would be disinclined to go with a drilling simply due to bulk and weight... a stainless/synthetic break action 20 gauge under a .22 K-Hornet with 18" barrels and peep sighted would be pretty ideal... as for the Hornet, you might aswell "K" it for the extra oomph with same weight and bulk... rounds are not too much bigger than .22 Mag, but load 60 grain Partitions in it and if pressed you could head shoot any big game in a survival situation (I am NOT advocating head shooting game... I am strongly opposed to taking head shots on big game)... a modified choke in the 20 gauge smooth bore barrel would cover all game situations and also allow controlled placement of rifled slugs... the trick would be getting a "stainless/synthetic" over/under put together...

You can come close to many of these concepts in reality... if I dropped the stainless/synthetic requirement, I could have my concept fun in short order.
 
The H&R Handi rifle is a fair starting point. If they had tool-less breakdown capabilities and a bit more availability of barrels they could be perfect. In a perfect world it would be easy to get a variety of barrels, perhaps 12 gauge, .308 Win, and .22lr.

I make a QD knob for H&R guns (tools free disassembly/reassembly in seconds... won't help you on a charging bear if you happen to have the KH barrel mounted at the time)... and have many swap barrel sets including bobbed shotgun/rifle combos... I often carry a .22 K-Hornet/20 gauge 18" barrel combo when packing.
 
OK, I'm somewhat familiar as I have a few revolvers that will shoot .22mag but as I explained no rifles.

I was thinking about the savings on ammo size/weight and cost (not much on cost I guess if you reload) but then I didn't think the weight would be an issue for a truck/utility gun and beyond #### hits the fan who takes 50 rounds for a walk in the bush?
I was just curious based on your stated choice and desire to reach out.

Most Popular on the market? I guess you are referring to rimfire ammo?


People say 16" is about all a.22lr needs to make full use of the powder, so I thought perhaps the mag could use a little more barrel to reach out.
I suppose out to a hundred yards , on small game, the extra speed or energy is not really needed.

I've never tried a drilling gun. They do look like a classy tool for a walk in the woods.

I spend a couple weeks at a time in the bush, and can't refresh my ammo stocks. .22 Mag makes the most sense especially when I don't need the velocity, blast, or pelt damage of a centerfire. The only centerfire I'd consider is .22 Hornet, but one box of 50 Hornet rounds buys three boxes of .22 Mag and they do the same thing out of a utility gun. Who carries 50 rounds? When it's the size of a deck of cards, you bet I do! I spend a lot of time in remote areas, and I'll carry as much as I can. .22 Mag is fun to plink with, as well, and cheap.

Near nil benefit to barrels past 16" in .22 Mag, in fact one load even posts its highest velocity at 16" in 22 Mag and has slowed down past that (30gr CCI).

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22mag.html

As for 20 gauge etc, I need to stick to 12 gauge in order to be able to launch flares, bean bags, and bangers.
 
Based on my limited combo gun experience, I'd say skip the rifle barrel, regulation will probably be a problem, ie if you are using slugs, POI will likely be quite far off the rifle. And while the rifle might be accurate, scoping it will take away a lot of handiness. And if you are headshooting grouse or taking small game much beyond shotgun range with open sights you are doing well.

So, as earlier I recommend an O/U 12 gauge with rifle sights. This will allow 2 slugs for bear, with one barrel sighted it should offer reasonable accuracy beyond 100 yards with a slug. If the "slug" barrel is choked it should offer some reach with shot for small game. If the other barrel is open flares aand bangers can be used.

IMO, having a 22 mag barrel offers little in added utility while requiring added bulk (scope and extra barrel).

Now a CZ (or similar) in 308/12 might offer more, with the 308 being legal (and adequate) for big game, while the 12 with an open choke will do for flares, small game, et al.
 
The iron sighted combo gun of one 22 LR barrel with a single 12 gauge barrel looks better and better all the time IMO.
The rifle barrel for the vast majority of harvesting small ground game, the shotgun barrel for birds or the option of a slug for larger beasts.
One can carry/use much more rimfire ammo versus the scant use of the shotgun, without noticing the extra weight.
The math works out here.
 
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