The Unknown Soldier - Finnish continuation war movie

sail32 said:
The Russian land grabs prior to the German invasion would have been to set up a buffer zone to slow the the coming German invasion.
The grab of the Karelia peninsula was to protect Leningrad.
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We'll force you to be nice to each other
Kill you before you kill each other (c) D.R.I.

After Bolsheviks won Civil war in Russia, the first thing they did is started grabbing lands of other countries according to Vladimir Lenin's advocacy to seize the territories of the former Russian Empire and advance the World Revolution. They broke all peace agreements they made while they were not fully established as power. They defeated Ukraine (most of its ethical lands), Transcaucasian (Georgia, Armenia..) and other countries, they tried but failed with Finland and Poland. Even after that they never left the idea of World Revolution and kept spreading the fire of communism around...
So yeah, for the war Soviet Russia started let's blame Finland, Germans, whoever you want, but not actual aggressor... and this is still going on modern days...
 
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sail32 said:
The events I was talking about were after the signing of the " Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact ".

The Russians would have read Hitler's " Mein Kampf ", and it's idea of German expansion to the east.

The Russian land grabs prior to the German invasion would have been to set up a buffer zone to slow the the coming German invasion.

The grab of the Karelia peninsula was to protect Leningrad.

The Russian's lost lost a huge amount of territory in WW1 with the signing of the , " Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ", and the Germans went beyond those boundaries in taking over Russian land.

https://omniatlas.com/maps/europe/19180320/

Ural Mountains in Nazi planning

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There are some mental gymnastics happening here and you are ignoring a lot of facts. From what I gather you are trying to say is that:

-The Soviet Union was justified to take territory from independent countries because the Soviets lost territory to Germany.
-The Soviet Union was justified to take more territory, in order to have a buffer of land to protect Leningrad.
-Finland was not justified to try to retake territory it lost from Soviet invasion nor protect itself.

You should be aware that the "huge amount of territory" (the Baltic countries) lost in WW1 was a total of 175,015 km2. Russia's landmass is a total of is 17.1 million km2. The loss of the Baltic nations amounted to a total loss of 1.02 percent of former Soviet territory.

The Finns were brought into the fight by defending themselves, due to Stalin and Hitler carving up Europe via the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. You should also look up the shelling of Mainila. Als Pcvando said "the Finns were not the aggressors".
 
Horilka said:
We'll force you to be nice to each other
Kill you before you kill each other (c) D.R.I.

After Bolsheviks won Civil war in Russia, the first thing they did is started grabbing lands of other countries according to Vladimir Lenin's advocacy to seize the territories of the former Russian Empire and advance the World Revolution. They broke all piece agreements they made while they were not fully established as power. They defeated Ukraine (most of its ethical lands), Transcaucasian (Georgia, Armenia..) and other countries, they tried but failed with Finland and Poland. Even after that they never left the idea of World Revolution and kept spreading the fire of communism around...
So yeah, for the war Soviet Russia started let's blame Finland, Germans, whoever want, but not actual aggressor... and this is still going on modern days...
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I could not have said it better!
 
I agree with you here. The Finns were not greedy in keeping their land. They were done with Russia and wanted to keep what was theirs. Now that land is uninhabited. Some people's opinions I question.
 
When I was at school, many years ago, one of my buddies was a Finn by the name of Hannu Karjalainen, so it doesn't take much application of brain cells to figure out where his family came from. I used to go over to Finland in the long school vacations and stay with his family, who lived in Tapiola and Turku - they also had a piéd á terre up North in Rouvaniemi. To say that the whole family had strong feelings about Russians does them a disservice. I have never seen such a deep hatred of a people and nation before or since. The father and grandfather had both served in the Talvisota - Winter War - and the so-called continuation war, with medals and scars to prove it. They both agreed that it had given them the opportunity to kill many more Russians. Both were relatively unscathed by the end of the war, when Russia imposed its demands and 'annexed' Karelia and its important port of Viipuri, their home-town. The old man would not have anything remotely hinting of Russian origin in any house he owned, nor have any dealings with Russians by way of business - a decision that had cost him millions over the years. If ever there was a nation that was betrayed, it is Finland.
 
One of the reason Finland was able to live through WW2 only with partial loss of territory is that they wiped out Red Finns during the breakdown of Russian Empire.
On the Soumenlinna island in Helsinki there's a war museum. If you ever go to Finland, visit this museum. I was there in early spring I think, I remember the was some ice but ferries already operated. Very few visitors and you can wander almost alone across this fortification and museum. A part of exposition was dedicated to the breakdown of Russian Empire and communists attempts to seize power in Finland that declared independence - Finnish Civil War. After commies were defeated they were sentenced to camps and there was a camp on this island too. There are many documents and photographs depicting how they were doomed to death trough hard labour, cold, anti-sanitary and hunger. It was almost looking as a manual. Like they were taking proud in these deaths. I don't recall how many Red Finns died there (Wiki says around 12,500). However I know for sure, that 12,500 communists of your own population is more than a reasonable price. If you don't kill them, they will kill millions. And history of other countries that fell under the rule of communists proved Finns were right.
 
Finland during the Great Northern War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_during_the_Great_Northern_War

Finnish War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

The Finnish War (Swedish: Finska kriget, Russian: Финляндская война, Finnish: Suomen sota) was fought between the Kingdom of Sweden and the Russian Empire from February 1808 to September 1809. As a result of the war, the eastern third of Sweden was established as the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland within the Russian Empire. Other notable effects were the Swedish parliament's adoption of a new constitution and the establishment of the House of Bernadotte, the new Swedish royal house, in 1818.


In March 1918, the German Empire intervened in the Finnish Civil War on the side of the White Army. ... The Imperial German Army attacked Russia on 18 February. The offensive led to a rapid collapse of the Soviet forces and to the signing of the first Treaty of Brest-Litovsk by the Bolsheviks on 3 March 1918.
Result: Victory of the Finnish Whites; German ...
Date: 27 January – 15 May 1918;
The intervention put the Fins in the German sphere of influence.

Finnish Civil War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War#German_intervention
 
sail32 said:
Finland during the Great Northern War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_during_the_Great_Northern_War

Finnish War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

The Finnish War (Swedish: Finska kriget, Russian: Финляндская война, Finnish: Suomen sota) was fought between the Kingdom of Sweden and the Russian Empire from February 1808 to September 1809. As a result of the war, the eastern third of Sweden was established as the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland within the Russian Empire. Other notable effects were the Swedish parliament's adoption of a new constitution and the establishment of the House of Bernadotte, the new Swedish royal house, in 1818.


In March 1918, the German Empire intervened in the Finnish Civil War on the side of the White Army. ... The Imperial German Army attacked Russia on 18 February. The offensive led to a rapid collapse of the Soviet forces and to the signing of the first Treaty of Brest-Litovsk by the Bolsheviks on 3 March 1918.
Result: Victory of the Finnish Whites; German ...
Date: 27 January – 15 May 1918;
The intervention put the Fins in the German sphere of influence.

Finnish Civil War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War#German_intervention
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And what is/are your point(s) Sail32?
 
swcw said:
Hello,

Did you end up finding a version to watch? I have multiple options for you, that are easy and quick to watch. Just let me know
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Thank you!

It just popped up on the iTunes store so I'll get it from there!

Phew, didn't realize it was three hours long!

Might have to buy an M39 to watch it with first though...
 
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