The unusual H&K VP70z: initial thoughts and observations

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I first started handgun shooting in the early 1980s, and back then there was a wonderfully varied selection of semi-auto pistol designs. I could only afford a CZ75 at the time but I’ve recently been able to acquire some of the models that I could only read about back then. The classic Heckler & Koch line always appealed to me, and I’ve been able to pick up a P7 and P9S. The missing one from the classic 1970s trio was the VP70z. They are not common around here, and what I read online about the heavy trigger pull dissuaded me from picking one up. However, one popped up on the EE recently and I thought it was time to complete the set.

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The VP70z, from what I’ve read online, was designed to be used by relatively untrained German citizens in the event of a Cold War invasion (the “VP” stands for “Volkspistole”, or “People’s Pistol”). It’s a striker-fired blowback pistol with a double-action only trigger, no slide stop, and minimal external controls so for sure it would be easy to get someone unfamiliar with the pistol up and shooting quickly. It’s got a polymer frame—and, upon its launch in 1970, the first pistol ever to have one, and an unusually large for its time capacity of 18 rounds (well, pre-mag laws here). There was a military-only shoulder-stocked model that enabled three-round burst, too.

It is quite a large pistol, even though it only has a 4.6” barrel. Here is it compared with a Glock 22:
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I can see a bit of a family resemblance with the H&K P9S, which dates from the same era. Other than the superficial similarity in looks, though, they are very different pistols.
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The polymer grip has a light pebbly texture and is comfortably-sized for its original capacity. The texture looks similar to that on the Gen 1 Glock 17, although I’ve never seen one of those).
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The trigger pulls straight back with no pivoting at all. Mine has an after-market Wolff trigger spring that reduce the very stiff factory trigger pull. There is a defined stop right before the break, so its fairly easy to “stage” the trigger pull. You can see the disassembly lever above the trigger.
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It’s quite reminiscent of the trigger on my FS2000.
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The button behind the trigger is actually a cross-bolt safety, not a magazine release.

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The magazine release is a heel-clip type:

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While the magazine is quite an interesting design—its width tapers at two different points:

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and it’s dual-feed, too, like the Steyr GB:

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The pistol disassembles like most other blowback pistols I’ve owned—pull down the disassembly lever, retract the slide and lift up at the rear of the slide’s travel. You can see the fixed barrel here.
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Here’s the sear area—it’s a much simpler design than the P7 or P9S.
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There is a generous feed ramp and the chamber’s edges are chamfered.
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The slide rails are only on the rear portion of the slide:
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The slide walls are quite thin, especially for a blowback pistol—only about 2.5mm, about 4.5mm for the Glock 22. Even though the VP70s slide is bigger and has a bigger striker their masses are almost the same: 395g for the Glock and 405g for the VP70z. This reduces the recoil effect of the reciprocating mass as well as the overall weight of the pistol.

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You can see the striker in the picture above. It’s easily removed from the slide by rotating the slide end cap 90° and removing it. Here is the striker and firing pin spring removed from the pistol:
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and they just pull apart. The part on the right is the firing pin spring (that’s the Wolff spring) and the striker/firing pin is on the left. The spring on that assembly is to prevent accidental discharges if the pistol is dropped.
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As I mentioned above, the slide is not as heavy as you’d expect for a blowback pistol, nor is the recoil spring as stout. There’s an unexpected reason for that. The rifling is very deep—so deep that propellant gasses actually blow past the bullet on its way out the barrel to keep chamber pressures low. This supposedly lowers muzzle velocity, though.
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(looks like I should give that bore a good scrub!)

The rear sight is a straightforward fixed blade.
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But the front sight is quite unique. It’s ramped, but the middle portion machined out and the top polished.
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What that does is give an illusion of a blade front sight while having a sturdy snag-free sight. Here’s the sight picture:
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So that’s it for the overview. The trigger pull is not as bad as I expected (likely due to the Wolff spring) and its comfortable in the hand. The odd sighting arrangement looks to work pretty well, too. I’ll add more once I’ve had it out to the range.
 
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Another great review and pictures, Master-G.

For some reason, I thought you got one of these a long time ago. The pull on that funky trigger reminds me of a BBQ lighter!

With the passing of time, I actually remembered the VP70 to be bigger than your pics showed. Another weird one for your 80s collection should be the Steyr GB.

Can’t wait for your next review. I’m sure that’s going to get a lot of interest!
 
Another great review and pictures, Master-G.

For some reason, I thought you got one of these a long time ago. The pull on that funky trigger reminds me of a BBQ lighter!

With the passing of time, I actually remembered the VP70 to be bigger than your pics showed. Another weird one for your 80s collection should be the Steyr GB.

Can’t wait for your next review. I’m sure that’s going to get a lot of interest!
Thanks! Yeah, I'm psyched for the next one, too. As for the Steyr GB, have a look here :)
 
Thanks for sharing this and the great photos.Really interesting gun,i held one back in the 70s an was impressed how large it was,radical design back then.Have you had a chance to shoot it?
 
My friend was with the MNR in Ontario, and that was his issue sidearm for a while and he absolutely despised it. That was a long time ago. He isn't a handgun guy and he said the trigger was so bad he could barely pass his yearly qualification. I can't remember what it got replaced with, but he said he did much better from then on. Didn't they originally have a 2 or three round burst option for the European market?
 
My friend was with the MNR in Ontario, and that was his issue sidearm for a while and he absolutely despised it. That was a long time ago. He isn't a handgun guy and he said the trigger was so bad he could barely pass his yearly qualification. I can't remember what it got replaced with, but he said he did much better from then on. Didn't they originally have a 2 or three round burst option for the European market?
Yes. 3 round bursts for LE/Mil applications only. I think it was called the VP70M. It had a shoulder stock which, when used, somehow activated the fun switch in that model. No, the stock does not make a VP70Z capable of 3 rd burst fire! For those who don’t know, the VP70 series was the first polymer pistol ever made, about 10 years (?) before the Glock 17.
 
My friend was with the MNR in Ontario, and that was his issue sidearm for a while and he absolutely despised it. That was a long time ago. He isn't a handgun guy and he said the trigger was so bad he could barely pass his yearly qualification.
Yikes...I think that this pistol—especially with the factory spring—would be very unsuitable as a duty gun.

No, the stock does not make a VP70Z capable of 3 rd burst fire!
There was a VP70z with the factory stock listed on the EE a couple of years ago. That was a very cool, but also quite rare and expensive, gun!
 
Yikes...I think that this pistol—especially with the factory spring—would be very unsuitable as a duty gun.


There was a VP70z with the factory stock listed on the EE a couple of years ago. That was a very cool, but also quite rare and expensive, gun!
I didn’t realize the stock fit the Z model without some mods. The stock was also a holster for the gun. Kinda like the C96 and BHP.

Btw, when the dust settles for you, I would love to see you get the P88! I remember ordering one for a customer back in 1988 when they first came out. I think he paid $1600 for it back then. And I got to shoot it for him as he wanted to see how the gun worked!

I’ll just live vicariously through your pics.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane, G! The 80s were a cool time for handguns!
 
Great write up and pics as usual.

I was surprised at how compact the grips was. Feels thinner than a CZ75 with thin aluminum panels. Keeping the the area where the sear contacts the striker mechanism well lubricated also helps the trigger pull.

would love to try a 3 burst version

 
Hey gdawg! How do you like yours?
Yeah, agreed! The grips are quite slender for such a big gun. And that pebbly finish was quite slippery too, IIRC.

I love it but more for its uniqueness and history than its execution. It is a inherently accurate design if you can master the trigger. Passenger7 shot the lights out with mine. I cannot shoot it as well, but like knowing that someone can, lol. My appreciation for pistols developed in the 80s as well so I also have an affinity for all the odd balls of that era (P7, P9, Benelli B series, Steyr GB..)
 
I love it but more for its uniqueness and history than its execution. It is a inherently accurate design if you can master the trigger. Passenger7 shot the lights out with mine. I cannot shoot it as well, but like knowing that someone can, lol. My appreciation for pistols developed in the 80s as well so I also have an affinity for all the odd balls of that era (P7, P9, Benelli B series, Steyr GB..)

I say you, P7, Master-G and I walked down the same 80s path in handguns! Except you guys have way cooler collections than me!
 
Great gun, really well made. Mine has a fairly decent trigger compared to others out there. It's pretty damn accurate if you can master the trigger. They used to make an air soft one with the stock I'd love to find one just to use the stock as a holster
 
Had a chance to take it to the range today—it was a little breezy but not a bad day overall compared with most of this Spring. I hadn’t shot a handgun since last Fall so I was a little rusty for sure.

The pistol worked great with no issues in the 50 rounds of 124 gr. RUAG ammunition—it was my first time trying it. Recoil was a bit snappy but not unpleasant. After trying ten rounds to get a feel for the pistol I tried deliberately “staging” the trigger pull for better accuracy. It worked quite well, although there were a couple of times that I missed the stage and pulled straight through—they’re the ones at the 3 o’clock and 6 o’clock spots on the target at the 1:10 minute mark of the video below.

After that I tried some faster shooting—the long trigger pull makes it a challenge—and finished with some one-handed shooting. That was a wake-up call!

The pistol felt better shooting at the range than dry-firing at home, and the unusual front sight worked pretty well. It was a fun time!

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Here’s a demo of the trigger pull.
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