The Valmet

Milspectacles said:
Now this is interesting - I was just reading this on the RCMP site the other day and didn't make the correlation. Anyone know which treaties these are? RCMP info indicates 8 non-specified.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/indigenous-peoples

Treaty ammunition

Under the Firearms Act, ammunition can only be transferred to a person who already has a firearms licence. However, there are eight (8) historical treaties between the Government of Canada and some First Nations. These treaties provide those First Nations with certain amounts of ammunition on an ongoing, annual basis. The Firearms Act has been adapted to permit the transfer of ammunition to beneficiaries even if they do not have a firearms licence. This ammunition is often distributed as currency. Beneficiaries must have a valid firearms licence to buy ammunition.
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Ammunition for hunting is part of several treaties. I read an article about it several years ago. Quite a formal occasion. Mounties in red and chiefs in ceremonial dress. I believe there is a formula regarding rounds per band member. On that occasion it was several crates of ammo. I believe it was in Saskatchewan.
 
After many years of effort I finally managed to buy a Valmet M78 in 7.62. Perhaps the most disappointing rifle I have ever owned. Despite being almost new and little used it would not function reliably. The sights were aweful and the factory scope mount would not hold zero.

Tried very hard to love it but sold it with no regrets for a small profit.
 
I understand the obsession many Canadian gun owners feel about "forbidden fruit of AK", I do. However, as a person who grew up shooting real Soviet AKs, a person who handled I don't know how many dozens of them I can tell you two things. First - AKs are not great modern guns, yeah, reliable simple broomsticks for poorly trained conscripts, but not great. And second - Valmets I saw in Canada are EXTREMELY ####ty clones of AKs. Sorry, but this how it is.
 
Horilka said:
I understand the obsession many Canadian gun owners feel about "forbidden fruit of AK", I do. However, as a person who grew up shooting real Soviet AKs, a person who handled I don't know how many dozens of them I can tell you two things. First - AKs are not great modern guns, yeah, reliable simple broomsticks for poorly trained conscripts, but not great. And second - Valmets I saw in Canada are EXTREMELY ####ty clones of AKs. Sorry, but this how it is.
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one man's trash is another man's treasure.
 
MrBalkan said:
one man's trash is another man's treasure.
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I can tell you that all of mine has shot very nicely and the quality is superb
 

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I only have the M76 these days. I had an M78 in .308 back in the day, but found it to be overly long, heavy and "c;lunky" in terms of handling. It was not an ergonomically friendly firearm, and was a pain in the arse to lug back and forth to the range. The M76 is far handier, but alas I cannot be trusted by the government to leave the house with mine....


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If the model is not marked then you don't.

Truly the cbsa do not care about this when you are importing. The 78/83 is referenced on frn 24977 so there is that...

Yes, hypothetically you could get dragged in front of a judge later by some overzealous policepeoplekind but why worry about that? The gun could get prohibited too.
 
Skscollector said:
How does one discern between an M78 that is prohibited vs NR? I see the two FRT entries - #24977, non-restricted / #117589, prohibited) but I cannot tell the difference between the two.

I am looking to import an M78 from Gunbroker, these are two options:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1156072929(M78)
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1144675039 (M78/83s)
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I would guess the prohibited one is a full auto. It should be obvious because it will be expensive if for sale (transferable)
 
call2arms said:
I would guess the prohibited one is a full auto. It should be obvious because it will be expensive if for sale (transferable)
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if you think a transferable (in the USA) full auto would be that inexpensive your mistaken
7500$ is chump change.
 
KotKotofeich said:
It is not - it's semi. You really should look at the entry
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call2arms said:
The FRT that is prohibited I would guess is because it is a full auto variant. I am fully aware that $7500 won't buy a transferable full auto
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Some, not all, variations of the M78 semi are prohibited, while all the full auto are. It’s trying to decipher what sets a NR semi-auto apart from the Prohib. All I’ve been able to gather is if it has the AK style lever safety, it’s NR - but if it has the cross-bolt safety, it’s prohib.
 
Skscollector said:
Some, not all, variations of the M78 semi are prohibited, while all the full auto are. It’s trying to decipher what sets a NR semi-auto apart from the Prohib. All I’ve been able to gather is if it has the AK style lever safety, it’s NR - but if it has the cross-bolt safety, it’s prohib.
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The crossbolt safety is only a distinctive feature for the hunters not m78.
 
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