The Valmet

Page 168, Items z37, 38 and 44.

(z.37) Valmet M78/A2;
(z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;
(z.39) Valmet M82;
(z.4) Valmet M82 Bullpup;
(z.41) Valmet M62S;
(z.42) Valmet M71S;
(z.43) Valmet M72S;
(z.44) Valmet M88 Hunter

Looks like they've taken the opportunity to edit some of the previously banned stuff
 
Line z.44 is a different gun. It's been prohib since the 90s and is prohibited currently. Go check the FRT. Most obvious difference is the m88 hunter has a crossbolt safety instead of an ak lever on the hunter.

m88 hunter, has the crossbolt safety is 104638 and is even now prohiib 12.5

hunter has the ak safety is 23247 and is now and in the future NR because off the exemption written into the law

Similar for the m78 - different guns, text of the prohibition has not changed.

But something interesting - the FRT for the m78/a2 (prohibited even now 117583) seems to indicate that the difference from the NR M78 is the type of the receiver. So stamped receiver - m78 - NR, machined receiver - m78/A2 - prohib _right now_. Or are there other differences? Would it have A2 marked on it? I hope people haven't been bringing in m78 of the wrong kind and have unregistered prohibs on their hands _now_.
 
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KotKotofeich said:
Line z.44 is a different gun. It's been prohib since the 90s and is prohibited currently. Go check the FRT. Most obvious difference is the m88 hunter has a crossbolt safety instead of an ak lever on the hunter.

m88 hunter is 104638 and is even now prohiib 12.5

hunter is 23247 and is now and in the future NR because off the exemption written into the law

Similar for the m78 - different guns, text of the prohibition has not changed.

But something interesting - the FRT for the m78/a2 (prohibited even now 117583) seems to indicate that the difference from the NR M78 is the type of the receiver. So stamped receiver - m78 - NR, machined receiver - m78/A2 - prohib _right now_. Or are there other differences? Would it have A2 marked on it? I hope people haven't been bringing in m78 of the wrong kind and have unregistered prohibs on their hands _now_.
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All of which gets trumped by "centre fire, semi auto, detachable mag over 5 rounds" - New rules over ride old rules, not the reverse.
 
The exception is in the new rules. Any judge would take the argument that if a gun falls under the overall rule, there's no need to keep the exception. They could have removed it, they didn't.
 
The Valmet, in any iteration, definitely falls under the prohib bs rules. Sorry to break the bad news, as they are a costly investment.
 
Heres how itll go... you get cocky go to the range with youre 15k valmet, get stopped by a cop. He seizes the rifle, you go to court and while you spend 20k to fight the charges theyve already melted youre valmet down and added it to the giant ##### statue they made with all the other prohibs. The end
 
The Kurgan said:
The Valmet, in any iteration, definitely falls under the prohib bs rules. Sorry to break the bad news, as they are a costly investment.
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I went and got some actual legal advice... You may be right depending on how the amendment is inserted into the bill (punctuation, etc), we'll know more once the full text of the bill is posted when it makes it out of committee. Suppose we'll just have to wait and see. But if you have a link to the bill as amended, _not_ the list of prohibited firearms, please link here, so far I've only been able to find excerpts and quotes...

Fordtrucks said:
Heres how itll go... you get cocky go to the range with youre 15k valmet, get stopped by a cop. He seizes the rifle, you go to court and while you spend 20k to fight the charges theyve already melted youre valmet down and added it to the giant ##### statue they made with all the other prohibs. The end
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If you were addressing this to me - that's not how it will go for me. I'm keeping at least my 7.62x39 converted Hunter and will continue to be able to shoot it legally at our own range as approved by the CFO for prohibited firearms. I personally don't get cocky until my CFO tells me something is ok to do in writing. But I was shooting my StG 44 this weekend with their permission. I strongly suggest others look into doing the same.

Unless we still have a NR FRT for the Valmets I would not recommend that anyone take them to shoot anywhere without seeking additional information / approval.
 
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It will be banned when c21 comes into force and Im guessing you dont have a prohib license so yes the scenario does apply to you
 
cyclone said:
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Many of you are probably familiar with the story that the Government bought a number of Valmet rifles for aboriginal people, and was therefore unwilling to change to category for Valmet rifles away from non-restricted.

My question is, does anyone know (1) which Government (e.g. federal or provincial/territorial) gave the Valmets; (2) which Government ministry/department gave the Valmets (e.g. Indian Affairs?); and (3) in which year the Valmets were given?

Thanks in advance.
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The valmet that were gifted included ammunition, so many hundred rounds per year. This would have gone on for years and likely continues today. This should leave a paper trail for many years to follow
 
KotKotofeich said:
Unless we still have a NR FRT for the Valmets I would not recommend that anyone take them to shoot anywhere without seeking additional information / approval.
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It amazes me that in 2022 there are still gun owners who give a damn what the FRT says, and worse still that the FRT has any legal significance whatsoever.
 
I just choose not to guilt others to challenge the legal system and put their livelihood on the line - because that is what ignoring the FRT and acting like it doesn't matter is - when I'm sitting here safe(r?) from all of that. Don't want anyone getting into trouble on my advice. If they choose it on their own or by listening to you, then my conscience is clear... big difference between accepting the consequences for ones self and another advising others to do it.

(Having reread the above) apologies if this comes across snappish... it seemed you were calling me out... I value your posts here for being insightful and inciteful...
 
Brian46 said:
The valmet that were gifted included ammunition, so many hundred rounds per year. This would have gone on for years and likely continues today. This should leave a paper trail for many years to follow
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Now this is interesting - I was just reading this on the RCMP site the other day and didn't make the correlation. Anyone know which treaties these are? RCMP info indicates 8 non-specified.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/indigenous-peoples

Treaty ammunition

Under the Firearms Act, ammunition can only be transferred to a person who already has a firearms licence. However, there are eight (8) historical treaties between the Government of Canada and some First Nations. These treaties provide those First Nations with certain amounts of ammunition on an ongoing, annual basis. The Firearms Act has been adapted to permit the transfer of ammunition to beneficiaries even if they do not have a firearms licence. This ammunition is often distributed as currency. Beneficiaries must have a valid firearms licence to buy ammunition.
 
Milspectacles said:
Now this is interesting - I was just reading this on the RCMP site the other day and didn't make the correlation. Anyone know which treaties these are? RCMP info indicates 8 non-specified.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/indigenous-peoples

Treaty ammunition

Under the Firearms Act, ammunition can only be transferred to a person who already has a firearms licence. However, there are eight (8) historical treaties between the Government of Canada and some First Nations. These treaties provide those First Nations with certain amounts of ammunition on an ongoing, annual basis. The Firearms Act has been adapted to permit the transfer of ammunition to beneficiaries even if they do not have a firearms licence. This ammunition is often distributed as currency. Beneficiaries must have a valid firearms licence to buy ammunition.
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A FOI request in to all things treaty ammunition related would likely reveal everything you are wanting to know, including who likely received the valmet's based on ammo type and quantities
 
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