The Valmet

I would like to find out where they all went. What Treaty, what Band. I could use my FN contacts to try and track some down that are still sitting in the closet on the Reservations. I would assume most originated in Southern Ontario and Quebec Indian Bands around Treaty 1-3.
 
I'm thinking Northern Manitoba, Sask, and Inuit lands...... but I only guessing based on vague memories of discussions in the past.
Going thru the volume of video and stills from the Oka confrontation , there are many prohibitted class firearms seen on the first nation's side
I remember seeing(in vids and pics) galils, AKs , FN's just to name a few.
 
I sold a couple back in the day, one was 5.56, As new.
Regarding hi up liberal ( senators) the story i hear for the 12-7 class is because someone with pull was/ is a hi end Luger collector.
The time frame works out right.
 
This story has been around for ages.
I have never heard any specific information about what, where or when. In my 30 years "North of 60" I never heard of any government supplied Valmet.
IF there were some Valmets supplied for hunting purposes... How many? If it did happen, and there were more than a handful, surely some would have surfaced by now. I have never heard of a single specimen ever surfacing.

Who was the importer/distributor for Valmet back in the day? They would know if there were any bulk purchases by any government department.

As far as Oka is concerned, the AK variants which surfaced appear to have been Chinese made commercial versions imported by Century Arms.

An ATI request might turn up something, but where would you start?
 
i will support tiriaq on that. i ve seen more sks, cz/vz58 and now the t81s than any valmet ... it was used as an excuse and someone had them for other reasons ...

ever wonder why the ak47 ban was never removed?
 
I seem to recall at the time that some Valmet rifles were supplied by the Federal Govt. as part of a subsistence hunting program . Unfortunately only someone in government actively involved in the program at the time would know why they chose Valmet specifically , and in what numbers . I suspect that it was some type of government tendering/procurement process in which Valmet rifles met the specification requirements at the time ; and the rifles were purchased , and supplied , on a limited basis .
 
The whole story of FN getting primo Finnish AKs never made sense to me either, a politician being a collector(or dealer?) makes a whole lot more sense
 
The whole story of FN getting primo Finnish AKs never made sense to me either, a politician being a collector(or dealer?) makes a whole lot more sense

The most likely scenario is that a firearm dealer with political connections had a source for Valmet rifles that met the government tendering /procurement specifications at the time , so they were purchased and distributed in unknown numbers .
 
An ATI request might turn up something, but where would you start?

You're kidding, right?
- the politicians/RCMP won't answer how firearms were prohibited because they were a "variant" of a already prohibited firearms... while there is no legal, nor technical deffinition of what constitute a "variant"
- these same people won't release any of the documentation used to create the prohibited list
 
If anyone has an old copy of the FRT on cd still it may still be in the notes on the Valmet Hunter FRT listing, that's where I remember seeing it about 8-10 years ago, but last time I looked on the current FRT it was gone.
 
You're kidding, right?
- the politicians/RCMP won't answer how firearms were prohibited because they were a "variant" of a already prohibited firearms... while there is no legal, nor technical deffinition of what constitute a "variant"
- these same people won't release any of the documentation used to create the prohibited list

ATI respecting what Valmets were supplied to whom, how many, when and where. Nothing to do with classification, variants, etc.
 
Used to shoot with a number of first nation people (in Qc) no-one ever heard of the gov. handing out Valmets.
- The rangers were mainly using Lee-Enfield No. 4 (and some #5)
- In some locations, apparently some old PCMR Winchester 94/64 and Marlin 36 are still floating around, and some made their way down East.

Maybe it was a provincial thing?


As far as find the exact number of them imported/sold, that information can be found in the request A-2021-11725
 
Used to shoot with a number of first nation people (in Qc) no-one ever heard of the gov. handing out Valmets.
- The rangers were mainly using Lee-Enfield No. 4 (and some #5)
- In some locations, apparently some old PCMR Winchester 94/64 and Marlin 36 are still floating around, and some made their way down East.

Maybe it was a provincial thing?


As far as find the exact number of them imported/sold, that information can be found in the request A-2021-11725

Hey, my ATIP is "famous"... :p
 
Slightly off topic, but do I need to fill in all the fields on that page to view the ATIP? I had always wondered how many SKS came into the country and it appears your ATIP answers that

it would have been easier if the pdf was shared to avoid all of us to give information to the gvt ...
 
it would have been easier if the pdf was shared to avoid all of us to give information to the gvt ...

I created a "hotmail" address this morning and submitted a request to view. Not sure how long they normally take to email out?
 
Well, I finally remembered to check that fake e-mail address I got set up to see the Freedom of Information request. I got a 7 page PDF.... of mostly useless information. The FOI document had SKS, Mosin, Garand, SVT40, Carcano, Mauser.... the list goes on from Jan 2012 to Dec 2020. It also includes airsoft and replicas as well. The most relevant note was this one though:

The CBSA does not systematically collect and compile firearms information based on makes and models

So.... scrolling through the whole thing shows a grand total, of all makes and models, of ~1600 firearms total.
 
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