The Venerable Inglis Pistol in Afghanistan

The drill for Canadian aircraft is different from squadron to squadron and often misinterpreted by flight engineers who are not exactly all weapons experts. The crew's confidence in the weapons handling of the troops getting on board has alot to do with it also.

Generally for tactical helicopters you'll see the weapon should be "made safe" ie - unloaded, cleared and mag put back on prior to embarking and "readied" ie - cocked when you hit the ground. There is no requirement for a LCol to carry a loaded weapon on an administrative flight into an airport that now has civilian flights going into it. If you are being met with a mike and camera stuck in your face its unlikely your next move requires any combat rolls to a fire position. Its dangerous but its not world war three there right now. Theres nothing wrong with a trained soldier in an operational area carrying a pistol or any other weapon for that matter loaded and readied as it should be (cocked and locked). What's the threat and what's the level of training of the soldiers you're around is the issue.

I liked my old WWII issue pistol just fine, always worked, shot good enough, and I got away with putting rubber hogue grips on it:) . A big .45 would be nice but soldiers generally must endure the weapons they're given with small exceptions. They are tools to do a job, one should take care of their tools and make sure they work properly.

As for sticking a pistol in a mag pouch of either one of the crap Tac Vests issued in the pictures, its a bad idea. People do that because our issued holsters are equally crap and three other reasons (as I see it):

1. Chest mounted pistols are easier to bring into action when in a cupola, turret, or vehicle;

2. Dismounted infantry walk alot. I mean alot. Having a poor quality thigh holster flopping around your leg while running or marching with a ruck or support weapon is a major pain; or

3. Somewhere, sometime, (probably seeing pictures like this) somebody convinced them it looked cool. More front line troops would have pistols (if they needed them) if all the CP rats and FOB-Goblins would cough them up. Pistols and bayonets these days are mostly treated as combat fashion accessories for combat tourists. Contrary to popular belief not everybody needs a rifle, a pistol, a bayonet, 10 mags, and three hidden backup knives, even if Timmy Taliban is around.

Myself, I got a good holster, used it properly, and wouldn't give up one of my (only) four mag pouches for my primary weapon's ammo. These days in Afghanistan most people patrolling around the HQ looking to jack up soldiers for non-issue kit have realised they need a real job.
 
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j-man said:
You're joking, right? That's the only way I'd be able to read a horsesh*t line like this.

Not 100% sure about Kandahar but from my own experiences in Kabul, the weapon stays unloaded until you approach the gate of the airfield/camp outbound. What you see in those pics is a LCol who has just stepped off a CF aircraft (no loaded weapons on the Herc) and likely tackled by the media (inside the airfield perimeter and once again, no loaded weapons).

Undoubtedly, if the CSM/RSM has a talk with him, it'll be to discuss how he, CO of 1VP, wants HIS op to run.

Sounds like you have some issues. They have counselling now.:rolleyes:

LOL! Thanks for that J-Man. I was late into this thread, and you took the words right out of my mouth. The previous poster was quite obviously a tad "out of touch" with current reality.

Cheers,
 
Somebody asked about the Indian. The tooling for the Inglis was sold to INdia following WW11 and the Indian Hi_Power is the old INglis made, well, not with the same loving care our Inglis's were. The INglis is Imperial measured while the FN HP is metric. That is true of all the dimensions not just the screws.

Take Care

Bob
 
The Browning is a rugged, reliable pistol. If they're not worn out I see no need to replace them. My only complaint with the Inglis pistols was poor triggers that can be improved a lot with a bit of smithing.

I'm curious how the Elcan scopes on the C7 stands up to rough usage. I notice the plastic back up sight that used to be in front of the scope mount seems to have disappeared so I my guess is that the scope is standing up. I think that if I had to use a C7 in combat I'd want to have a back up iron sight in pocket.
 
Canuck44 said:
.... The INglis is Imperial measured while the FN HP is metric. That is true of all the dimensions not just the screws ....

Point well taken, Bob, though in actuality it's the measurement systems which differ, not necessarily the dimensions of the various parts ... (e.g. 10.55 millimeter = 0.415354331 inch - they are exactly the same dimension - just expressed in terms of two different measurement systems ...)

My understanding is that the reverse engineering of the Inglis was done so precisely that, notwithstanding that the dimensions of parts were expressed in Imperial measures in the Inglis drawings and specifications, such parts will actually interchange with parts from FN pistols of the vintage they copied (unless the design of that part was altered in some fashion by Inglis, of course ...) On the other hand, the screws differ in more than just the measurement systems used to describe them - the size and pitch of the threads also differs.
 
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