There will be no IDPA at TMC this month!

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might it be that IDPA at TMC will be run similar to an IPSC league night at an unnamed location?? more shooting less yapping ..... blasphemy i tell you....



I want to have as much fun as we have always had at IDPA but here are some rules that need to be enforced strictly. I had a long chat with the president of TMC and his wife yesterday and last week. I presented them a list of infractions that I wrote down and agreed on what should happen if they are violated. I respect IPSC for not being laid back on these rules and I don't want IDPA to be laid back either. I don't know about other clubs but my club is run tightly by the president and he will shut down IDPA in a blink of an eye. It's only fair for all the other members as they do not deserve to lose their shooting time due to a violation that occurred on IDPA night.

Here it goes so there are no surprises. I don't care if you are my best friend or my worst enemy, the same goes...

Finger on the trigger or muzzling the wall, floor, ceiling. You go home for the night if you do it again after one warning.

Unholstering early before the line you go home no warning.

Shoot the wall, floor, ceiling, you go home no warning.

Attitude to the SO you can go home no warning. (judgement call)

No police without black badge, NSOC, etc. can shoot IDPA. Issues with not knowing the procedures can lead to serious safety violations so this is a rule now at TMC IDPA!

And please remember when it's time to unload and show clear that you wait for the SO to ask. Doing it before being asked just because it's second nature can lead to other issues!

I don't think this will impede on any of the fun we have and will continue to have! Hopefully this Thursday is the only one we miss. I plan on putting a lot of effort into the stages at TMC IDPA. Let's have some fun!

Take Care!
Chris
 
Sometimes it's better not to reinvent the wheel and learn from the masters. :)

and sometimes the wheel is flat ;)

and sometimes the wheel is just a donut made to look like a wheel;)

and sometimes what will really blow your mind is when you realize there is no wheel at all ;)









here turkey, turkey, turkey
 
[QU OTE=cbabes;6967236]Sometimes it's better not to reinvent the wheel and learn from the masters. :)

and sometimes the wheel is flat ;)

and sometimes the wheel is just a donut made to look like a wheel;)

and sometimes what will really blow your mind is when you realize there is no wheel at all ;)









here turkey, turkey, turkey[/QUOTE]

Do me a favour? When we go turkey hunting on your property can you just keep talking. They Toms will think you are one ###y turkey and I will get me my first turkey kill. :)
 
I want to have as much fun as we have always had at IDPA but here are some rules that need to be enforced strictly. I had a long chat with the president of TMC and his wife yesterday and last week. I presented them a list of infractions that I wrote down and agreed on what should happen if they are violated. I respect IPSC for not being laid back on these rules and I don't want IDPA to be laid back either. I don't know about other clubs but my club is run tightly by the president and he will shut down IDPA in a blink of an eye. It's only fair for all the other members as they do not deserve to lose their shooting time due to a violation that occurred on IDPA night.

Here it goes so there are no surprises. I don't care if you are my best friend or my worst enemy, the same goes...

Finger on the trigger or muzzling the wall, floor, ceiling. You go home for the night if you do it again after one warning.

Unholstering early before the line you go home no warning.

Shoot the wall, floor, ceiling, you go home no warning.

Attitude to the SO you can go home no warning. (judgement call)

No police without black badge, NSOC, etc. can shoot IDPA. Issues with not knowing the procedures can lead to serious safety violations so this is a rule now at TMC IDPA!

And please remember when it's time to unload and show clear that you wait for the SO to ask. Doing it before being asked just because it's second nature can lead to other issues!

I don't think this will impede on any of the fun we have and will continue to have! Hopefully this Thursday is the only one we miss. I plan on putting a lot of effort into the stages at TMC IDPA. Let's have some fun!

Take Care!
Chris

Just out of curiosity, when were any of these safety infractions witnessed at TMC? I've been to every single club night for the last year except for one and the only infraction I've seen is the police officer racking his gun behind the line. From the sounds of it, there is a huge safety problem at TMC which warrants a meeting with the club president but I can't seem to remember a single incident. :confused:
 
Just out of curiosity, when were any of these safety infractions witnessed at TMC? I've been to every single club night for the last year except for one and the only infraction I've seen is the police officer racking his gun behind the line. From the sounds of it, there is a huge safety problem at TMC which warrants a meeting with the club president but I can't seem to remember a single incident. :confused:

You should address that question to the President TMC directly.
 
Just out of curiosity, when were any of these safety infractions witnessed at TMC? I've been to every single club night for the last year except for one and the only infraction I've seen is the police officer racking his gun behind the line. From the sounds of it, there is a huge safety problem at TMC which warrants a meeting with the club president but I can't seem to remember a single incident. :confused:

I agree with Steve on this one. You really don't understand how easy it is to get shut down. Some things you think are trivial are just not when it comes to keeping a league going. I have been shooting IDPA at TMC since it's inception and CDP before that. A lot longer than one year. We have been shut down for a long time before just from one incident that I am sure you would find not serious. What made me laugh was when you said you haven't seen any of these violations in the last year? How could you possibly see a finger on the trigger from back there? And you are saying you have never heard me yell MUZZLE!!? Why don't you ask 12.6 Envy if I ever yelled that to him? I told him I wasn't trying to be a prick I just didn't want IDPA shut down.

I still think the best way to answer your questions would be as Steve David said. Talk to the president.
 
I've never seen Mr. Baker at any of the IDPA nights so how does he become the goto expert to answer this stuff. Is it on the video's, and if it is then why hasn't it been addressed without having to shut down IDPA this month? There seems to be a whole lot going on in the background that I don't know anything about. Steve do you shoot IDPA at TMC? You know Judge Judy doesn't allow hear say in her courtroom :)
 
I know I'm at fault for using fjrobins as an id but it wasn't intended to hide who I am. I used fjrobins as my identity because it matches my email address. Kudos's to Steve and Chris for not hiding behind an obscure id in CGN. So many negative things are said in the CGN forums and the identity of the writer is unknown.
 
I've never seen Mr. Baker at any of the IDPA nights so how does he become the goto expert to answer this stuff. Is it on the video's, and if it is then why hasn't it been addressed without having to shut down IDPA this month? There seems to be a whole lot going on in the background that I don't know anything about. Steve do you shoot IDPA at TMC? You know Judge Judy doesn't allow hear say in her courtroom :)

I am not sure what hear say you speak of, all I did was suggest the question be posed
directly to the source of the shut down, and that would be the president of the club.
 
Judge Judy makes 40 million per year! If I was her I would build my own range and invite my friends to shoot IDPA. :) I bet you she knows how to handle a gun!
 
I've never seen Mr. Baker at any of the IDPA nights so how does he become the goto expert to answer this stuff. Is it on the video's, and if it is then why hasn't it been addressed without having to shut down IDPA this month? There seems to be a whole lot going on in the background that I don't know anything about. Steve do you shoot IDPA at TMC? You know Judge Judy doesn't allow hear say in her courtroom :)

this is getting good :popCorn:
 
It sure looks like the reason TMC IDPA is being dragged through the mud was just for this:

Attitude to the SO you can go home no warning. (judgement call)

To deal with the ongoing personal grudge that cbabes has with one shooter, which has since spread to 6 or 7 shooters, and has been destroying IDPA at TMC for the past 6 months or so. Would you be willing to say that this "attitude" rule would be put to a vote, so if three SO's are there it takes 2/3 to send someone home?

Not to mention if all this unsafe shooting was going on under your watch to the point that you felt the need to initiate a conversation with our club president I can only assume that you are having your SO status reviewed by IDPA. Steve, you are obviously aware as you posted in this thread and we have had some casual conversations about the matter, so I would be interested to hear what follow up is planned in terms of reviewing the status of our SO who believes he has been running unsafe shoots for so long or if he does not believe this, he is using IDPA and the TMC board to follow through with a personal agenda. This political, personal nonsense is awful for IDPA.

If TMC needs to air its laundry publicly, let's at least be honest about what it is all about because it has been ruining IDPA for too long.
 
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Steve, you are obviously aware as you posted in this thread and we have had some casual conversations about the matter, so I would be interested to hear what follow up is planned in terms of reviewing the status of our SO who believes he has been running unsafe shoots for so long or if he does not believe this, he is using IDPA and the TMC board to follow through with a personal agenda. This political, personal nonsense is awful for IDPA.

What I am aware of is what I have been told by the parties involved, you included. I have not been involved unless I was addressed on an issue as this clearly is a club issue. Again as I suggested, you would be best to direct any questions or concerns to the President and the BOD of the club as they are the ones who suspended IDPA, not cbabes, that I do know, and knowing the President for as long as I have and working on that BOD for as long as we did together, I can assure you he would not suspend any shooting unless there was a safety issue he felt could potentially effect the club, again you are best to address him directly. On the review of the status of the SO's at TMC, nothing like this has even be suggested, so that is a non issue. I can assure you that IDPA has complete faith in cbabes or any other SO to ensure they run IDPA safely and follow each individual clubs range rules.
 
It sure looks like the reason TMC IDPA is being dragged through the mud was just for this:

Attitude to the SO you can go home no warning. (judgement call)

To deal with the ongoing personal grudge that cbabes has with one shooter, which has since spread to 6 or 7 shooters, and has been destroying IDPA at TMC for the past 6 months or so. Would you be willing to say that this "attitude" rule would be put to a vote, so if three SO's are there it takes 2/3 to send someone home?

Not to mention if all this unsafe shooting was going on under your watch to the point that you felt the need to initiate a conversation with our club president I can only assume that you are having your SO status reviewed by IDPA. Steve, you are obviously aware as you posted in this thread and we have had some casual conversations about the matter, so I would be interested to hear what follow up is planned in terms of reviewing the status of our SO who believes he has been running unsafe shoots for so long or if he does not believe this, he is using IDPA and the TMC board to follow through with a personal agenda. This political, personal nonsense is awful for IDPA.

If TMC needs to air its laundry publicly, let's at least be honest about what it is all about because it has been ruining IDPA for too long.

Nice newshot! Nothing I said shut down IDPA. I wasn't even the one who told the whole board about that incident. I never said unsafe shoots have been running. This is called nipping it at the but my friend. I want everyone to know the rules. I still have no guarantee this will open IDPA back up. It may not be enough for the president and the board. I am trying my hardest to do what I think they need done. You are clueless and really need to speak with the president and tell him how you think this is a grudge I have. Completely clueless.
 
Would you be willing to say that this "attitude" rule would be put to a vote, so if three SO's are there it takes 2/3 to send someone home?

Sorry I forgot to address this. If you check the US and Canada IDPA website I am sole club contact now. Before IDPA was shut down at TMC I was made the sole person in charge of IDPA. Before jumping to conclusions this was known and agreed to by the TMC Range Manager and president. I started this thread to keep people from wasting a drive to IDPA this Thursday and to let all TMC members and non-members know about some rules they need to abide by for IDPA not to be shut down again. Seriously though you are wrong.
 
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