!#$@ there's a bulge in my barrel

Splatter said:
Ask the nice guy at Noveske.
If he says "just mail it to us" you can reasonably assume that they are aware of all the required legalities and have taken care of all the requisite approvals beforehand.
Let's remember, Noveske isn't run out of some guy's garage, selling on eBay.

The same with the answer to "Are you sure you can send me back a new barrel?", if they say yes, believe them, these guys do it for a living.
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Dude,

Its a lot more complex, believe me.
Even taking foreign (non-US) government uppers back for rebarreling requires paper work.

Ensure that Noveske sends you the equivalent of what we call an RMA (Return Material Authorization).

I've asked our export control folks as to what exactly a civilian in Canada would need to do.
 
Is that a bulge in your barrel, or are you just happy to see me? There, someone had to say it.:p Has anyone here ever had that happen due to excessive oil? I have a habit of oiling barrels when stored (my racks keep the guns horizontal) and have forgoten to wipe before firing. Any real risk? I mean, if there were, rain would be a real issue, right?
 
5440fight said:
Is that a bulge in your barrel, or are you just happy to see me? There, someone had to say it.:p Has anyone here ever had that happen due to excessive oil? I have a habit of oiling barrels when stored (my racks keep the guns horizontal) and have forgoten to wipe before firing. Any real risk? I mean, if there were, rain would be a real issue, right?
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I seriously doubt it. MAYBE (with a lot of clauses on it) in a polygonal rifled barrel but for a traditional land-and-grove barrel I'd imagine the would just be pushed into the grooves and then cooked off by the heat after the pressure dropped.

You'd have to have a pencil barrel, and there'd have to be a LOT of oil. Enough to fill half the barrel. THEN you'd have problems. A very big over oiling problem. :D
 
Dsiwy said:
On the issue of bore snakes, I have never seen one cause a bulge in a CF 5.56 barrel. I have seen them get stuck and had to drill them out. This after buddy snapped off the cord and tried hammering it out with a cleaning rod :( "still no bulge"
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I use bore snakes all the time I just dont cram the stuff so tight into the barrel that it takes alot of fource to get it out I like snug but not too snug that its hard to get out.. I like just touching light presure to pull..
 
5440fight said:
Is that a bulge in your barrel, or are you just happy to see me? There, someone had to say it.:p Has anyone here ever had that happen due to excessive oil? I have a habit of oiling barrels when stored (my racks keep the guns horizontal) and have forgoten to wipe before firing. Any real risk? I mean, if there were, rain would be a real issue, right?
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would depend on the oil... if the oil is like water and cant be compressed then i could see it happen but.. I dont see it happening with most types of oil..
 
What KevinB said. Also:

You should get some sort of RMA from Noveske before you even approach DFAIT and US Dept of State.

At the very least you and/or Noveske need written authorization from the US DoS for both the barrel entering and leaving the US. If this were a 16", there would likely be no problem with this, but 12/11.5/10.5" you might be screwed for now.

I can tell you Noveske is up to date on their registration as a manufacturer with US gov; so no problems there. However, I am 99.9999% sure they are not a registered exporter... Maybe there is some sort of exception for cases like this, but I would bet that even if DoS allows this they will want a DSP-5 at least. If that's the case, you're probably going to need the services of either Dave's Sports or Questar(the only business that has retailed Noveske in Canada, afaik) to file for the paper with US gov.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to discourage you :)... I really want to see what the response is from US DoS... But you must have proof of compliance; it's not worth risking a US felony charge.
 
I spoke to our export folks.

You will need to have the equivalent of the RMA, and reference the original export cert #.
If you did not do the export, you will need to get in touch with the importer of the barrel to obtain it.

Without the Original Export approval information, you risk the barrel being seized upon import or export.
Now it may go in and out fine, however according to DDTC, you do need the original export info.
 
KevinB said:
I spoke to our export folks.

You will need to have the equivalent of the RMA, and reference the original export cert #.
If you did not do the export, you will need to get in touch with the importer of the barrel to obtain it.

Without the Original Export approval information, you risk the barrel being seized upon import or export.
Now it may go in and out fine, however according to DDTC, you do need the original export info.
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It's actually worse than that... the DDTC Exemption that allows an item to be returned for warranty repair/replacement (without getting temporary import license) ONLY applies to the original exporter, so even if you have the original Export License info a 3rd party still can't legally return the item to the US without first getting a permit from the US to allow the temporary importation. Once the item is back in the US there seems to be quite a bit of uncertainty as to whether another export permit is required to send back the repaired/replaced item... according the DDTC regulations the original exporter is supposed to be able to re-export the repaired/replaced item back to Canada, however, since there is no "clear" way to complete the required SED for the re-export some companies are unwilling to take a chance and want to process an entirely new DSP-5 to cover their ass.

Again... all of this ONLY applies to the original exporter based on their original export license. It does NOT apply to any other person/entity so if a 3rd party wanted to return an item to the US for warranty repair/replacement then according to DDTC a temporary import license is required (I think it's the DSP-61 but I may have that wrong... haven't done one in a while).

Mark
 
KevinB said:
DDTC, like ATF is rife with conflicting advice.

sigh...
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Yes... quite true... but in this case it's a written policy... outlines all of the DDTC Exemptions (exemption reference #, what it's for, who it applies to, etc.). I don't have a copy handy but it is something that is on their website and can be downloaded.

Again... it only applies to DDTC Registrants and it covers everything that DDTC controls (from missiles to radar to firearms to computer software, etc.).

Mark
 
123.4A1
22 CFR 123.4 (a) (1) Temporary import of U. S. – origin defense items for servicing, inspection, testing, calibration, repair, overhaul, reconditioning, or one-to-one replacement of defective items.
 
Ok, I'm a little confused to what I have to do. I'm not the original importer/exporter, so what do I need to do? Can someone provide a link(s) or whatever I need to a form to fill out? Or, perhaps a department/agency I can call to get direction? Noveske still wants me to ship them the barrel, but I really want to make sure I don't get burned on this one.
 
iamcanadianeh said:
Ok, I'm a little confused to what I have to do. I'm not the original importer/exporter, so what do I need to do? Can someone provide a link(s) or whatever I need to a form to fill out? Or, perhaps a department/agency I can call to get direction? Noveske still wants me to ship them the barrel, but I really want to make sure I don't get burned on this one.
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If you are not the original importer then you will need to find out (if possible) who the original exporter was (Noveske is not a registered Exporter... at least they haven't been up until a couple months ago and I don't think that's changed). Since Noveske wasn't the original exporter then you'll need to find out who was since ONLY the original exporter can use the Exemption allowed by DDTC to return the item to the US without first getting a DSP-61 Temporary Import Permit for Warranty Repair/Replacement... and you'll need to work with that original exporter to return the item to the US and get it shipped back to you once Noveske has done whatever they are going to do (Noveske can't legally ship the barrel back to Canada since they are NOT a registered DDTC Exporter).

Failing the above, then you need to find a US company that is a DDTC registered exporter and that is willing to process a DSP-61 Temporary Import Permit to allow you to ship them the barrel, and so they can ship it back to you once Noveske does their thing. No idea who's going to be willing to do that for you... you might try Dave's Sporting Good in Washington State. Obviously he'll want to be paid for his time and efforts... problem is that by the time you pay him for his time (start to finish) he may end up charging you as much (or more) than what the barrel is worth. Don't forget there's shipping costs involved and possible brokerage costs, etc..

Mark
 
It's funny how the way the op initially got his barrel has never really been addressed.

Ah well.....

Good luck getting your barrel exchanged/replaced, or what ever you end up having to do.
 
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