Thermal in 2020

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It's said that thermal is a rapidly advancing art, but there seems to be a lot of 3yr old models out there. I'm at the point where I no longer get a thrill looking for things that go bump in the night with a flashlight.

If a guy wants decent resolution to 300yd, and expects to spend $3-5k, what are his options aside from a Pulsar XQ38? Is Bering available in our vast country?

Looks like Leica is entering the market in November, but I have four legged problems right now!
 
Are you wanting weapon or handheld/helmet mounted?

The Flir Breach is a pretty sweet little hand/helmet unit, 320 core, 60 Hz refresh.
The Iray MH25 is essentially a Chinese made Skeet, which is a pretty sweet hand/helmet unit. 640 core, and can take PVS14 eyepiece for a bigger look at the viewfinder. I believe the MH19 is the 320 core version.
If you are willing to get really spendy, the Tilo 3 and 6 look pretty awesome.

For weapon mounted, I'm not sure if there has been much that isn't ITAR restricted. If you can find a Flir PTS233, they were pretty good, but are discontinued.

I don't know much about Pulsars lineup. I've never actually used their stuff.
 
Thanks for the info. A handheld device would serve 95% of my uses and the FLIR breach certainly fits that criteria. If one were to show up on the EE, I'd probably give it a go. My concern is it's a 3yrd model and if I'm going to take the depreciation hit buying new I want something that is using present day technology.

Ideally I'm looking for a 'clip-on' - something that could be used handheld, but also has a crosshair and could be attached to a pic rail.

Some are true 1x and can be used in front of a 'day' optic, but this situation seems to get bulky and front heavy.

For my purposes, I'd like to balance a decent field of view with reasonable magnification, so 1.5-6x or 2-8x and PIP would also be an asset.
 
With regards to the present day technology, the Breach, PTS, and OTM all use the Boson core, which is basically the top end sensor at the moment. So 3 years old, yeah. But still top end tech. There may be something new coming out soon, but for the moment it shouldn't be much of a concern.

While it doesn't fit your clip on requirement, the Flir OTM 266 is apparently pretty awesome, too. 2x optical magnification, 640 pixel sensor, 60 Hz refresh.

I don't know the price, but I can guarantee it will be spendy. You could look at the TRMS. It is a 1-8x, 640 core clip on or dedicated scope. I'm pretty sure ActinBlack carries them. They look unreal.
Edited to add: I believe ActinBlack actually makes the TRMS
 
Maybe take a look at Pard SA35 at that budget? They seem to be very popular in Europe, UK, and Australia, but ATN Thor has the market in the US. Take a look at the youtube videos first, people seem to like the fact that Pards are very compact and include laser range finders.
 
At my airgun forum these termal scopes became very popular for decimating four legged critters over night, especially for night games around dairy farms.


Ebay from a seller with good reputation,
also get a shade


There is a PARD store based in China that sells them. Be ready to pay around 1000USD shipped.
As for North American dealers I'm not sure there is any.
 
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TI-GEAR-M325 Tactical Multi-Purpose Monocular, 384x288 FPA, 50Hz, 25mm F/1.0 Lens
came with an a.r.m.s quick detach mount
made in canada

i love it,
its a 4x optic, with more features than i know how to use. it has 8 different polarity settings.
its compact, light weight, easy to use.
i zeroed at 100 yards using thermal hand warmers in the day.
 
Sorry I didn't read earlier, here is an Iray model clip-on. It has a good sensor at 384x288 and also can be used as a handheld. It 2.5K GBP, so fits your budget. It might be overkill for what you need though. Its True 1x and mags from 2.9-11.6x.

I was asking him about the thermal rangefinder, but either way they have experience selling to Canadians and was telling me they wouldn't charge the VAT.

https://www.opticalsolutions.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_75&product_id=313
 
TI-GEAR-M325 Tactical Multi-Purpose Monocular, 384x288 FPA, 50Hz, 25mm F/1.0 Lens
came with an a.r.m.s quick detach mount
made in canada

i love it,
its a 4x optic, with more features than i know how to use. it has 8 different polarity settings.
its compact, light weight, easy to use.
i zeroed at 100 yards using thermal hand warmers in the day.

Bumping.

Have you tried it on anything as small as raccoon?

Anyone else with experience on thermals in the past year?
 
My experience with thermal scopes is limited to 2 models from Torrey Pines, now Sector Optics (a subdivision). The T12-N I've used for a few years, and like it well enough as a hand held spotter for rats. Tried it on a low powered .177" airgun but found it was impossible to make consistent hits on rats even at 5 yards, just too low resolution for precision. Then I bought a T20 with 3-5.5x optical zoom and a higher resolution screen. Tried it on the ratter, made a few hits, but just as many misses at 7 to 10 yards, so gave up and again went back to my cobbled together 3x scope with a Carson IR monocular, the IR emitter wired so it's in an offset tube above the scope and with a lens to focus the beam for further range. No problem with that rig taken down rats with head shots at 20 yards, though most rats are taken inside 10 yards.

The T20 now lives on my PCC as a backup, with a 45 degree offset QD mount. Zeroed to my scope, it's good for maybe 12" groups at 50 yards. Good enough I guess. I wouldn't recommend the T20 for hunting, but in a pinch it makes a heck of a good thermal viewer, easily picking up a warm car engine or disc brakes a couple of hours after the car was used and making such objects generally identifiable. It can distinguish between most men and women in general form at 100 yards. At 20 yards it's good enough to pick out facial detail differences. Not state of the art, but cheap as these things go at around $1,000, and ruggedly built. I swap between a couple of CR2 rechargeable batteries, and it's good for a couple of hours per charge. Here's a pickup truck at night about 30 yards from my workshop window, an hour after it parked:

T20_pickup_truck_30_yards.jpg


This link should play a short clip showing the T20 in use on an airgun, knocking down a 5cm aluminum disc (heated with a small torch) at 7 metres. the diagonal scan lines aren't visible to the eye, rather an artifact of recording the screen with a digital camera:

[video]http://www.luthier.ca/other/forum/T20_on_5cm_warm_target_at_7metres.mp4[/video]
 
My experience with thermal scopes is limited to 2 models from Torrey Pines, now Sector Optics (a subdivision). The T12-N I've used for a few years, and like it well enough as a hand held spotter for rats. Tried it on a low powered .177" airgun but found it was impossible to make consistent hits on rats even at 5 yards, just too low resolution for precision. Then I bought a T20 with 3-5.5x optical zoom and a higher resolution screen. Tried it on the ratter, made a few hits, but just as many misses at 7 to 10 yards, so gave up and again went back to my cobbled together 3x scope with a Carson IR monocular, the IR emitter wired so it's in an offset tube above the scope and with a lens to focus the beam for further range. No problem with that rig taken down rats with head shots at 20 yards, though most rats are taken inside 10 yards.

The T20 now lives on my PCC as a backup, with a 45 degree offset QD mount. Zeroed to my scope, it's good for maybe 12" groups at 50 yards. Good enough I guess. I wouldn't recommend the T20 for hunting, but in a pinch it makes a heck of a good thermal viewer, easily picking up a warm car engine or disc brakes a couple of hours after the car was used and making such objects generally identifiable. It can distinguish between most men and women in general form at 100 yards. At 20 yards it's good enough to pick out facial detail differences. Not state of the art, but cheap as these things go at around $1,000, and ruggedly built. I swap between a couple of CR2 rechargeable batteries, and it's good for a couple of hours per charge. Here's a pickup truck at night about 30 yards from my workshop window, an hour after it parked:

T20_pickup_truck_30_yards.jpg


This link should play a short clip showing the T20 in use on an airgun, knocking down a 5cm aluminum disc (heated with a small torch) at 7 metres. the diagonal scan lines aren't visible to the eye, rather an artifact of recording the screen with a digital camera:

[video]http://www.luthier.ca/other/forum/T20_on_5cm_warm_target_at_7metres.mp4[/video]

Thanks
 
I use a Leupold LTO tracker 2 HD handheld, was $1800. I can spot grouse in trees out to 75 yards and moose at over 500 yards with that sucker. It’s extremely portable and for the price, fits my needs well.
 
Any of you guys ever use the FLIR scout?

$2500 or so, and I'm assuming it's available in Canada.


More handy than useful, I think. Outside of a zombie apocalypse, anyways... Might be better ways to spend 3 grand, lol.
 
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