Not too many bears in New Zealand huh?
What about the very extensive helicopter deer and tahr culls run by the NZ government? How many New Zealanders were killed by feral deer or tahrs?
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Not too many bears in New Zealand huh?
What about the very extensive helicopter deer and tahr culls run by the NZ government? How many New Zealanders were killed by feral deer or tahrs?
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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So? Are we going to see a public apology (a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another) or shall we put this one on the MEDIA as well?
Maybe is just that time of the month.
So? Are we going to see a public apology (a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another) or shall we put this one on the MEDIA as well?
Maybe is just that time of the month.
Camp cooks redneck reply was made before I had more detailed information. No apology made here, just a change of opinion based on better information.
I am heading to that area at the end of the month. The Grizzlies were spotted less than 1 mile from my uncles land last week. He and all of his neighbours were really nervous and yes all of them would have shot 1 or all if they had seen them. That is just the way it is done in that country. Well at least by all of the ranchers and farmers.
I already had in my head that if I had bumped into them, then they were done. I am glad they have been removed and as unfortunate as it is to kill an animal needlessly I am glad to have her dead.
My uncle called me as soon as he had heard the grizzlies had been trapped. He sounded so relieved.
I have run into grizzlies in that country before, they have always gone the other way but unnerving just the same. A piece of land that I hunt, the land owner killed a grizz a few years back when she went looking for a missing calf. The grizz started circling her, she had taken her gun with her, she never took her gun, only a broken hockey stick to move the cows around. She had 8 bullets and the grizz finally fell on the last one.
I always get spooked when I walk through that area.
I already had in my head that if I had bumped into them, then they were done. I am glad they have been removed and as unfortunate as it is to kill an animal needlessly I am glad to have her dead.
My uncle called me as soon as he had heard the grizzlies had been trapped. He sounded so relieved.
I have run into grizzlies in that country before, they have always gone the other way but unnerving just the same. A piece of land that I hunt, the land owner killed a grizz a few years back when she went looking for a missing calf. The grizz started circling her, she had taken her gun with her, she never took her gun, only a broken hockey stick to move the cows around. She had 8 bullets and the grizz finally fell on the last one.
I always get spooked when I walk through that area.
Your rant might've been justified if someone had suggested that the authorities go out and shoot/gas/tar and feather every bear within a 100 mile radius, but what's redneck about putting down an individual animal that's demonstrated aggressive behaviour toward a human?
Perhaps we it should've been captured and given some granola, counselling, a slap on the paw, and released?
As for the cubs... If they're of an age able to sustain themselves, let them go. If they're not, and there's no -immediately- available alternative option, shoot them. Otherwise they starve to death or die at the hands of predators, and that would be true cruelty.
Conservation is a good thing, protection of species and habitats from wanton destruction, but keep it within reason. It is a bear, and a single incident rather than wholesale slaughter for gall bladders or something. I don't agree with animal activism or apologism.
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I wouldnt love and respect nature so much if it wasnt dangerous.
Got any preds as big and nasty as a Grizzly bear with a proven taste for the easiest large mammal to kill?
And the same for pamphlets for hikers, bikers, skiers etc. It's just a bear folks, the prairies were teeming with grizz before whitey settled the place, they had to go, this is no different it's just that people won't see black and white any more, only shades of grey.
holy crap .. i didnt say dont kill the bear for eating a person.. i under stand the reason why the bear was destroyed.. my comment was a side note to the main discussion..
i was just commenting that people so quickly jump on the 'kill the animal" bandwagon every time a person dies, but animals amongst our own species basically get away with it ..
did i word it wrong or something ?
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K98ACTION, Camp Cook has extensive wilderness and bear experience, and if he expresses a point of view you can be sure that point of view comes from a knowledge based point of view, and I doubt that your knee jerk reaction was. I think an apology is in order.
I have an opposing point of view, but then I often do. Bears are predatory by nature. They will cannibalize their own kind for reasons of both hunger and to encourage breeding. This does not make them evil, it makes them successful. Anyone who spends time in bear country has the right to kill a bear in self defense. Parks Canada does not subscribe to this logic, but who gives a ####. If I am stalked by a bear I will do what ever I need to survive, regardless of where I am. The problem is that any bear can become predatory to humans at any time. An attack that begins as defensive can change to predatory. Evidence of predatory behavior in one bear on one particular day is not proof of future behavior in that same bear any more than cannibalism by that bear is evidence of future cannibalism. Conversely a bear feeding on vegetation is not proof that that particular bear will not exhibit predatory behavior towards humans.
I think the concept that only bad bears are predatory to humans does us a great disservice. It tends to make us less vigilant when we are in bear country, because we are told that dangerous bears are the exception to the rule. The truth is that if you had a human being in sight of any given bear every day of its life, there is going to be a day in the life of that bear that he will decide to eat that person. That's how the bear makes a living, and there is no reason why he would consider us as anything but a potential meal under the correct circumstances. This is one of the reasons I love being around these guys, because you never know what day it is.
In North America when a human being is killed by a bear it is not unusual for the bear to be killed if it can be found. This is not something the bear would understand, nor would it change his behavior if in fact it did understand; but it makes us more comfortable and reinforces our perceived place on the food chain, even though it changes nothing.
I have an opposing point of view, but then I often do. Bears are predatory by nature. They will cannibalize their own kind for reasons of both hunger and to encourage breeding. This does not make them evil, it makes them successful. Anyone who spends time in bear country has the right to kill a bear in self defense. Parks Canada does not subscribe to this logic, but who gives a ####. If I am stalked by a bear I will do what ever I need to survive, regardless of where I am. The problem is that any bear can become predatory to humans at any time. An attack that begins as defensive can change to predatory. Evidence of predatory behavior in one bear on one particular day is not proof of future behavior in that same bear any more than cannibalism by that bear is evidence of future cannibalism. Conversely a bear feeding on vegetation is not proof that that particular bear will not exhibit predatory behavior towards humans.
I think the concept that only bad bears are predatory to humans does us a great disservice. It tends to make us less vigilant when we are in bear country, because we are told that dangerous bears are the exception to the rule. The truth is that if you had a human being in sight of any given bear every day of its life, there is going to be a day in the life of that bear that he will decide to eat that person. That's how the bear makes a living, and there is no reason why he would consider us as anything but a potential meal under the correct circumstances. This is one of the reasons I love being around these guys, because you never know what day it is.
In North America when a human being is killed by a bear it is not unusual for the bear to be killed if it can be found. This is not something the bear would understand, nor would it change his behavior if in fact it did understand; but it makes us more comfortable and reinforces our perceived place on the food chain, even though it changes nothing.
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sjemac has pointed out the crux of this problem. The grizzly numbers in Alberta are increasing. There are now Grizz living in areas where they were once eradicated or numbers were kept very low. There is a reason there were no bears in certain areas.
FWIW the last 2 problem bears I hear of were both radio collared. Both were shot and the people were charged. If were me I would find out the history of the bears, then turn it around and sue the gov for allowing them to threaten my life.
From what I have heard the truth about the great Alberta "grizzly study" is soon to be released. Information that includes how many bears were accidentally killed, cover ups, and stolen money.
FWIW the last 2 problem bears I hear of were both radio collared. Both were shot and the people were charged. If were me I would find out the history of the bears, then turn it around and sue the gov for allowing them to threaten my life.
From what I have heard the truth about the great Alberta "grizzly study" is soon to be released. Information that includes how many bears were accidentally killed, cover ups, and stolen money.
Well I tend to think more like you WRT this situation. So my knee jerk reaction as you put it, may be justifable because you are right, Bears, Grizzilys especially are predatory and may occassionally kill a human for survival, something that too many on this board associate with not normal behaviour and therefor the bear must be killed.
I don't know anymore what to think, but campcook experienced or not, if he would kill the whole family as quick as he put the comment out there, then that shows me he has not thought or will not think the situation through before acting. IMHO if everyone were to think like that then like I mentioned before, we will have no more bears to worry about.
What ever, no one has the answers.
Not commenting on the case at hand as obviously that bear had to be killed but where on earth did you get the info that grizzlies are especially predatory? Look at the history of bear attacks and very few grizzly attacks could be classified as predatory. Conversely, many of the black bear attacks can be. Most grizz encounters can be traced back to protecting food or cubs and it's surprising how many are actually not fatal. There's a lot of bravado on this board and I find it funny how many people think they are safe when armed. The truth is, learn a bit about bears and learn not to fear but respect them and your chances of a dangerous enccounter go way down. There's always just plain bad luck but to say all bears are predatory like some members have indicated is just plain ridiculous.
