Think I got's me a 7.5 x 55 but............

I think that if I owned one of these rifles, I would try to keep it to ammo using the ORIGINAL specs for the .308W round.

These were VERY close to the original MILITARY specs, which have been maintained intact because there were a lot of different weapons made to use the stuff, interchangeably.

The situation is completely different when you get to COMMERCIAL ammunition, and the tendency here is to load the thing hotter ever year, if at all possible.

And it get even worse when some of the fringe handloaders get to work; there are loads out there, published, which give the .308W an extra FIVE HUNDRED ft/sec over original spec and there is factory ammo available that is very nearly this hot. Nobody can tell me that this is safe in a 95-year-old rifle. I would have serious doubts about some of these loads in new commercial rifles, for that matter.

I think I would stick with the original specs for the 7.62NATO round: 2750 ft/sec with a bullet in the 145 - 150-grain range.

That's hot enough.

Anything else is plain disrespect of a FINE piece of engineering and manufacturing.

BTW, the Swiss made some of the NICEST darned rifle-cleaning kits you have ever seen. Even the jointed Rod has BRASS bore-riders so you cannot possibly damage that wonderful barrel. Trade-Ex has some in a tool roll, $15 plus shipping, item SKU 2974. It includes a couple of tubes of some awful black grease that doesn't want to freeze up. Waffenfett? I'm ordering a couple more, just to be on the safe side.
 
Yes, That black/greyish grease is Automatenfett

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Anyone know to to get information from the nato stock number on the bottom of the green container?

German
ALN 9150-335-4874

Italian
NDE 9150-335-4874

French
NSA 9150-335-4874

As an example
http://www.nyelubricants.com/_pdf/milspecnsnsheetnew.pdf
 
I might as well ask since we are kind of on topic. Where did you get that automatenfett? I found a German/ French site that has it, also how much was the shipping? I love the stuff its a good lube and rust and carbon cleaner
http ://shop.kuert.ch/fr/reinigungsmaterial/waffenfett.html
 
Steel cans are Swiss army issue. Still soldered from supplier.
Plastic cans from Kuert.ch, usually. We order shooting supply items for our Swiss Rifle Club maybe once every few years.
 
NSN I'm sure you could find info on,but I don't know how to go about figuring out the Swiss stock number's.
Is there any way for you guy's to trace it back?
Is there a Swiss site so you can look up military item's?
What about an MSDS sheet?
 
I think that if I owned one of these rifles, I would try to keep it to ammo using the ORIGINAL specs for the .308W round.

These were VERY close to the original MILITARY specs, which have been maintained intact because there were a lot of different weapons made to use the stuff, interchangeably.

The situation is completely different when you get to COMMERCIAL ammunition, and the tendency here is to load the thing hotter ever year, if at all possible.

And it get even worse when some of the fringe handloaders get to work; there are loads out there, published, which give the .308W an extra FIVE HUNDRED ft/sec over original spec and there is factory ammo available that is very nearly this hot. Nobody can tell me that this is safe in a 95-year-old rifle. I would have serious doubts about some of these loads in new commercial rifles, for that matter.

I think I would stick with the original specs for the 7.62NATO round: 2750 ft/sec with a bullet in the 145 - 150-grain range.

That's hot enough.

Anything else is plain disrespect of a FINE piece of engineering and manufacturing.

BTW, the Swiss made some of the NICEST darned rifle-cleaning kits you have ever seen. Even the jointed Rod has BRASS bore-riders so you cannot possibly damage that wonderful barrel. Trade-Ex has some in a tool roll, $15 plus shipping, item SKU 2974. It includes a couple of tubes of some awful black grease that doesn't want to freeze up. Waffenfett? I'm ordering a couple more, just to be on the safe side.

Thank you very much smellie, nice to know that I can load it like my M-305 without worrying (I tend to load it to NATO spec.)... Although it's a fine performer with cast bullets in the 150-160 gr. range at 2100 FPS...
 
I've fired about 30 round's of IVI 80's ball thru it so far with no problem's.
My next project is to whittle a wooden block to fit the mag well. It'll do till I get a mag.
 
I think that if I owned one of these rifles, I would try to keep it to ammo using the ORIGINAL specs for the .308W round.

These were VERY close to the original MILITARY specs, which have been maintained intact because there were a lot of different weapons made to use the stuff, interchangeably.

The situation is completely different when you get to COMMERCIAL ammunition, and the tendency here is to load the thing hotter ever year, if at all possible.

And it get even worse when some of the fringe handloaders get to work; there are loads out there, published, which give the .308W an extra FIVE HUNDRED ft/sec over original spec and there is factory ammo available that is very nearly this hot. Nobody can tell me that this is safe in a 95-year-old rifle. I would have serious doubts about some of these loads in new commercial rifles, for that matter.

I think I would stick with the original specs for the 7.62NATO round: 2750 ft/sec with a bullet in the 145 - 150-grain range.

That's hot enough.

Anything else is plain disrespect of a FINE piece of engineering and manufacturing.

BTW, the Swiss made some of the NICEST darned rifle-cleaning kits you have ever seen. Even the jointed Rod has BRASS bore-riders so you cannot possibly damage that wonderful barrel. Trade-Ex has some in a tool roll, $15 plus shipping, item SKU 2974. It includes a couple of tubes of some awful black grease that doesn't want to freeze up. Waffenfett? I'm ordering a couple more, just to be on the safe side.

I'm long past the stage where I wanna see how fast it'll shoot. I have Ross rifle's for that pressure.
I do plan on trying paper patched thru it,170 grain cast all wrapped up snuggly
 
Original picture on that website is in .gif format and rather small at 480pixels. Any enlargement make it more unreadable. PM me with your email and I'll send you a copy.
 
Many people with those .308 conversion were flabergasted by how accurate they are.
Good luck.

Front locking lugs is good but is the rifle and action strong enough for full factory .308?

Okay, I've read through the thread. Keep it down to original .308 specs and should be good, all else being equal.
 
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