think you can take ammo out of the usa without permits...

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Joint CBP Operation Seizes 1,994 Assault Rifle Rounds Leaving U.S. at Brownsville Port of Entry

(Tuesday, May 25, 2010)
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Brownsville, Texas - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers and Border Patrol agents working outbound enforcement operations at the Brownsville and Matamoros International Bridge’s southbound lanes seized 1,994 rounds of undeclared assault rifle ammunition hidden within a 2007 Chrysler Sebring.





Some of the 1,994 rounds of ammunition discovered were wrapped in tape for packaging.



On May 24, CBP officers and Border Patrol agents working outbound enforcement operations at the Brownsville and Matamoros International Bridge encountered a black Chrysler Sebring as it attempted to exit the U.S. to enter Mexico. The driver, identified as a 23-year-old male, and his 19-year-old male passenger, who both were U.S. citizens and residents of Brownsville, Texas, were referred to secondary for further inspection.


In secondary inspection, further examination of the vehicle by CBP officers and agents resulted in the discovery of several packages containing ammunition that were hidden throughout the Chrysler. CBP officers discovered a total of 1,994 rounds of .223-caliber ammunition in this enforcement operation.


Both men were taken into custody by CBP officers and turned over to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agents for further investigation.


“Brownsville’s CBP team has stopped a significant quantity of assault-type ammunitions from being exported into Mexico in violation of federal law. I applaud our officers and agents for a job well done with the interception of close to 2,000 rounds of ammunition,” said Port Director Michael Freeman of the Brownsville Port of Entry.


"The arrest of these suspects demonstrates the BEST [Border Enforcement Security Task Force] team's dedication to pursue those who pose a threat to public safety and the well being of our communities," said Jerry Robinette, special agent in charge of the ICE Office of Investigations in San Antonio. "We will continue to target criminal organizations, ensure compliance with our immigration and customs laws and make certain that our nation's borders are secure at all times."


U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.

http://cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/local/05252010_4.xml
 
The issue in this case is simply the quantity of ammunition they were trying to export. There is an ITAR exemption for US Persons (residents and citizens) that allows for the export of up to 1,000 rounds of ammunition for personal use without a DoS export permit.

ITAR 123.17 to be exact...

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html

If it had been 999 rounds instead of 1,994 rounds... they'd be in Mexico right now.

This case DOES NOT pertain to Canadians... who under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES REGARDLESS OF QUANTITIES must have DoS export licenses.

And the use of the phrase "assault-type ammunitions" really pisses me off... nothing but fear mongering and misinformation...
 
The issue in this case is simply the quantity of ammunition they were trying to export. There is an ITAR exemption for US Persons (residents and citizens) that allows for the export of up to 1,000 rounds of ammunition for personal use without a DoS export permit.

ITAR 123.17 to be exact...

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html

If it had been 999 rounds instead of 1,994 rounds... they'd be in Mexico right now.

This case DOES NOT pertain to Canadians... who under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES REGARDLESS OF QUANTITIES must have DoS export licenses.

And the use of the phrase "assault-type ammunitions" really pisses me off... nothing but fear mongering and misinformation...


But there was two of them, wouldn't that be 999 rounds each?
I wouldn't want to be a foreigner caught in Mexico with ammo, I heard bad bad things
 
But there was two of them, wouldn't that be 999 rounds each?
I wouldn't want to be a foreigner caught in Mexico with ammo, I heard bad bad things

Well, that's a good point... but there's something else going on because the ITAR exemption is there in black and white (I didn't write it...). Perhaps it's the "undeclared" aspect of the story...!? Either (or whatever) way... I, as a US citizen, have taken ammo out of the US without DoS permits as recently as last December... with full disclosure at both the airport in New Jersey and at customs here at the Edmonton International and all I got was a "have a nice day"...
 
Here's a CBP document that declares the exemption under 123.17E

"Use a DDTC (Directorate of Defense Trade Controls) ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Reduction) Exemption Code when required in a commodity filing.

These specific citations (exemption number/codes) from the Code of Federal Register (see CFR 120-130) exempt a shipment from the requirement for a license or other written authorization from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls."

http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov...ne04_intro/appendices/apndx_o.ctt/apndx_o.doc
 
If they declared the ammo they probably would have been okay. When you try to hide it in little packages all over the car it makes them mad. It also makes the border people wonder what else you are trying to hide.
 
THIS SUBJECT comes up at least once a week, enough already....

Endless discussions, endless opinions, endless "what if this" "what if that"....

It seems very simple, many members here have doen an excellent job of pointing out the legal aspects of importing ammo & components, what is so hard to understand ??

In short we will never convince some of these wanna be importers that it is illegal, I'm certain they will have a rude awakening when they get caught, lose their car or truck, and end up as buuba's new "friend" in a federal vacation facility....

Only my 2cts worth....
John
 
THIS SUBJECT comes up at least once a week, enough already....

Endless discussions, endless opinions, endless "what if this" "what if that"....

It seems very simple, many members here have doen an excellent job of pointing out the legal aspects of importing ammo & components, what is so hard to understand ??

In short we will never convince some of these wanna be importers that it is illegal, I'm certain they will have a rude awakening when they get caught, lose their car or truck, and end up as buuba's new "friend" in a federal vacation facility....

Only my 2cts worth....
John

Unfortunately they were not importing anything, they were leaving the US to go to Mexico, would that not make it exporting, considering they are US citizens and not Mexican

The driver, identified as a 23-year-old male, and his 19-year-old male passenger, who both were U.S. citizens and residents of Brownsville

On May 24, CBP officers and Border Patrol agents working outbound enforcement operations at the Brownsville and Matamoros International Bridge encountered a black Chrysler Sebring as it attempted to exit the U.S. to enter Mexico

The way I see it, this particular SUBJECT does not come up, all that often..
 
The SUBJECT of bringing firearm related goods out of the United States comes up all the time.

Yes, for us Canadians, who want to bring it back with us, not Americans leaving their soil to bring it here to Canada, or anywhere else, like Mexico

Similar, but different.....


It was a couple of Americans going to Mexico, not going to Canada, and not a couple of Canadians visiting the US, and wanting to bring back some ammo

this article shouldn't even be on here, as it is more American news, than Canadian, and since this is primarily a Canadian based site, well I am sure you see my point.

We get chastised enough about what us Canadians are doing wrong, in thinking we can bring whatever over, that even when the Americans are doing it, we are lumped into it as well,,,,,let's try not to paint that picture...

John's whole comment would be correct if it were a couple of Canadian boys.....but they were not....
 
Tweedledee and Tweedledumb were exporting ammunition out of the US, in violation of US law, and got caught. It is irrelevant that they were US citizens; if they were Canadians or Lower Slobovians, they would still have been charged.
 
Tweedledee and Tweedledumb were exporting ammunition out of the US, in violation of US law, and got caught. It is irrelevant that they were US citizens; if they were Canadians or Lower Slobovians, they would still have been charged.

Ok, but what remains unclear is what said violation actually was. The only thing that's making any sense is more than 1,000 rounds (per vehicle as previously stated) and / or undeclared (hidden). Not withstanding those two options, it makes all the difference in the world that they were US citizens... who are otherwise covered by ITAR exemptions.
 
KENJUUDO;

An American citizen CANNOT export, firearms, ammunition,or components without an export permit, period....

John
 
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